From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 17:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: <87v9y0elen.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220152455054511191@bob.proulx.com> <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="149718"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 02:39:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyFG-000cqv-Tf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 02:39:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45314 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyFF-00033X-Ul for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:39:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyF5-00033R-3Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:39:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyF4-0000jn-4I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:39:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44926 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyF3-0000i3-TV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:39:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTyF2-000cf8-D3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 02:39:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:7QBz3e0Fq/1dl83dxTvolFrH7N0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120601 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > Noam Postavsky wrote: >> It seems that Google doesn't like something about Emanuel's emails, so >> it rejects them as spam (I notice that I sometimes do get messages >> from Emanuel, but they always land in the spam folder). Then >> help-gnu-emacs sees all the rejected messages and decides that the >> subscribed address is no good, and disables the subscription. > > That is exactly correct. The problem is sending domains that are > setting a strict DMARC policy. And receiving sites are also setting a > strict DMARC policy. > > https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC discusses the woeful situation. > > The current wisdom has appeared that mailing lists must perform what > the Mailman configuration calls a Munge From policy action. Here is > what Mailman says about it. Oh, that's interesting! I was considering setting a stricter dmarc policy on my own mail server, maybe I'll hold off on that. Thanks for the background.