From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 22:32:24 +0100 Message-ID: <87v9av4psn.fsf@posteo.net> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <87lfbu9q5x.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5ed6d1194f3c0@heytings.org> <87czx5a947.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5ed1656b4427e@heytings.org> <87zh098lo4.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5ed26ba41356b@heytings.org> <87h7mhgyxj.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5ed0dcd10a78a@heytings.org> <87czx5gpuj.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5ed4f4c7e84fb@heytings.org> <877dndgnhp.fsf@posteo.net> <329d68a5edfafadfe7cd@heytings.org> <87y2fsg5ve.fsf@posteo.net> <87mtw8fi6k.fsf@posteo.net> <87ft20f3ec.fsf@posteo.net> <8735xz67ye.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 22:32:54 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lB2X7-0000TC-NF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 22:32:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50728 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lB2X6-0003uF-QJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:32:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49224) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lB2Wl-0003u3-OK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:32:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:36683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lB2Wj-0000W8-BT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:32:31 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C2952400FC for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 22:32:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1613251946; bh=ciuK0QYCu4TvYvqI2l6mWVE82VJ6TIfnrnmjgQTQVS4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=PpH7nSps7s6Ep5x7uWuHx17na1ZYiYROoVz1lPgnxepRK1dZylWZKm15MiKUmBS/5 RLd6MTnMfeBLZOxSODlC/zt9IMPLtJajFZ0G7iuWhXb2F4m84wXJsKlavZUijuMyiy aS4nO0zS69guXPQWt6qcny2JoYCqjR3FR7ElxfQpL6v3l1eajqFNtcHXt9E6IEL9OQ zBl1yC+7GT4Kxc9+84v8Pt8rmYTlH4Rv/fSBZ8zEKO+GFwHznNKUjzJisAOP1qOBi/ lGSJB8fMYmhetWMa0gApu5TZ8CrE8g1v8SBlKpSzFMObfkrH+5fRdv8ouMoGEamlin Iap4YGNogvM8Q== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4DdNqs5tVMz9rxS; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 22:32:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:18:55 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127976 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregory Heytings writes: >>>> Sorry for protracting the conversation, I just think the >>>> interpretation of the guideline is important. >>> >>> Not for the proposal itself. >> >> Well yes, because if packages may bind to C-c *with* the consent of >> users, the need for a special package map decreases. >> > > As I said, IMO it does not, it can't work as a long-term solution, 26 > letters is simply not enough. Anyway, neither I nor you can decide > what the "correct" understanding of that guideline is, so I suggest we > stop arguing. A proposal has been made, we'll see what the > maintainers do with it. I agree. I was thinking about asking emacs-devel for opinions on the matter, that will probably make more sense, and might result in a rephrasing. >> The way I see it is that there is no need for a value like 'best, >> because this whole idea is that magit wants to bind their keys by=20 >> default, but it shouldn't bind it to C-c g. If you're going to set >> magit-define-global-key-bindings to 'best, you might just as well=20 >> directly bind magit-status to C-c g. I think it would be totally ok >> for Magit to have the default value set to nil, and then bind to C-c >> g, but that undermines their entire motivation, as there would be no >> default binding. > > Do you use Magit? Magit binds three commands globally when > magit-define-global-key-bindings is t (its default value): > magit-status to C-x g, magit-dispatch to C-x M-g, and > magit-file-dispatch to C-c M-g. Magit recommends to rebind the last > one (magit-file-dispatch) to C-c g, and there is no special value for > magit-define-global-key-bindings, and no code elsewhere in Magit, to > do that automatically. I use MELPA Stable, so my version of Magit is from 2018, so the only one I use magit-status. =2D-=20 Philip K. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQHHBAEBCAAxFiEEbW+YL3e0aNnYosjIGB9bla4wszYFAmAoRWgTHHBoaWxpcGtA cG9zdGVvLm5ldAAKCRAYH1uVrjCzNnF+DACsqayRAzXgxKCxSNjCEiDEdVDlNm2m 1ESdOIqnlDGfPLo3P1crf6cTx2HtXUnCxXKkl3BFPz8sQ1yJfwZl6RG90hZszLgj ZAOgEOBMJv+QUGtsyGSmY21ttq2fawOxiB8nvW7THPydcQwJtFdfOqeCqFwCOsL4 ee4uMMu7KCpwcI+QY2rXYOQitEsulZWJq5evaAYb2ZAt8deNLs6r8WuHe5PRB8aq IPnglQ00ppT45hUwbR3+nFh90iZmwxnTnxqWMEryPX35HleB8lXom/4XUiAJ9JRE h48OQO5Bdi7khhbQSl3Xl9wGG+2zd9gBZ48A4v31eYk7kbDcnAOYSlfmtirzdZTz 5AjipLMrN2tBRZhMK67jNsuAOfEIv7ybOMdKduTB4tzgkRJBQzk5bbbh9xo+PzAj AugmIwEuKv8p4U+IQGK/u5hZiU8u1pqTm9RDl7UroywdcmvfhYvyA2gTUhQrMBt+ luIeA5e13iSlaYgx7RHjjiUYaX43pX3uWLM= =kw/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--