From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: append, push, and add-to-list. Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:15:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87v95n19o8.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> <871r8cg0je.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:vW7mRpju603ic6srPiI38T7Lqkk= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 06 22:16:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rUB-0008av-2m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:16:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59886 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rU9-0002FP-OW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rTZ-0002Ep-M3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:15:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:47164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rTQ-00008z-74 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:15:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rTM-0007c3-O3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:15:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131593 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > LaTeX has a special audience, like typesetters (if it is > write English word) and writers. For them is understandable. > Beside the heading settings, I can write LaTeX natively > without problem. I'd say a general-purpose programming language like Lisp is ten times easier to explain to anyone compared to the intricacies of LaTeX, but it also depend on the person, some people cannot understand programming, and these can't understand either. I once met a guy who I considered intelligent enough and I thought I'd draw him a for loop on a paper, he immediately started to scream in terror about unrelated things, anything rather than to be put to the test and fail. Pathetic I guess, but yeah, he just couldn't do it and he knew it. Other people can understand a for loop but their minds are so chaotic while they can understand individual pieces they could never work on even a small program and hold it to some extent in their heads at once. And so on. I didn't believe this was the way, I thought anyone could learn everything, but after seeing so many people fail at the above things I now know it isn't so. > TeX is actually easier to learn. One would think so. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal