From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: customize-saved and emacs -Q Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:47:16 +0100 Message-ID: <87tznsh8e3.fsf@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1194810803 21432 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2007 19:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:53:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 11 20:53:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IrIs3-0003xa-In for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:53:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrIrr-0003XM-J6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IrImK-0000jN-7l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:47:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IrImI-0000gJ-2H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:47:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrImH-0000fp-NJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:47:29 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IrImG-0005dA-NV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:47:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IrImA-0004en-M2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:47:23 +0000 Original-Received: from i577bf47d.versanet.de ([87.123.244.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:47:22 +0000 Original-Received: from Stephen.Berman by i577bf47d.versanet.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:47:22 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: i577bf47d.versanet.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49140 Archived-At: Starting Emacs 22.1 built from vanilla sources with -Q and typing `M-x customize-saved' returns the message "No saved user options". But starting the Emacs 22.1 binary that comes with openSUSE 10.3 with -Q and typing `M-x customize-saved' returns a *Customized Saved* buffer containing Delete Selection Mode SAVED and set to `off' (which is in fact its default value) and Scroll Bar Mode SAVED and set to `right' (its default value is `left'). Here is the build configuration used by openSUSE: Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.70200000 configured using `configure '--with-gcc' '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod' '--with-kerberos' '--with-kerberos5' '--with-leim' '--with-xim' '--with-system-malloc' '--prefix=/usr' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--with-x' '--with-sound' '--with-xpm' '--with-jpeg' '--with-tiff' '--with-gif' '--with-png' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--x-includes=/usr/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/lib:/usr/share/X11' '--build=i586-suse-linux-gnu' 'build_alias=i586-suse-linux-gnu' 'CC=gcc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i586 -mtune=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector -g -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unused-variable -Wno-unused-label -DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=55000 -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=10000 ' 'LDFLAGS='' Put another way, in openSUSE 10.3 with emacs -Q, (get 'scroll-bar-mode 'saved-value) evaluates to ((quote right)) and (get 'delete-selection-mode 'saved-value) evaluated to (nil), while in vanilla Emacs both of these sexps evaluate to nil. Does anyone know how openSUSE did this or how this can be done in principle? Steve Berman