From: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Basic Emacs Lisp question
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:21:39 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tzhkkuho.fsf@kobe.laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87od7sa6ke.fsf@kobe.laptop
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:56:17 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:49:19 +0200, Matthias Pfeifer <pfemat@web.de> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> What is the difference between
>>
>> (list 0 nil -1)
>>
>> and
>>
>> '(0 nil -1)
>
> In Common Lisp (list 0 nil -1) is required to 'cons' a new list every
> time it is called. Quoting the list as in '(0 nil -1) is not required
> to build a new list. In fact, in compiled code it may reuse the same
> static object over and over again.
Reading my own post reveals that I may have been too terse. To clarify
the point I was trying to make, here's a small test in Common Lisp, and
the equivalent test in Emacs Lisp.
1. Common Lisp test
-------------------
* Save the following Lisp code to a file called "foo.lisp":
(defun foo-quoted ()
'(0 nil -1))
(defun foo-list ()
(list 0 nil -1))
* Then compile the file, and load it. Here's the output from loading
the compiled file in SBCL:
CL-USER> (compile-file "foo")
; compiling file "/home/keramida/foo.lisp" (written 30 APR 2008 01:48:02 AM):
; compiling (DEFUN FOO-QUOTED ...)
; compiling (DEFUN FOO-LIST ...)
; /home/keramida/foo.fasl written
; compilation finished in 0:00:00
#P"/home/keramida/foo.fasl"
NIL
NIL
CL-USER> (load "foo") ;; This actually loads "foo.fasl" in SBCL.
T
CL-USER>
* Every time the `foo-quoted' function runs it returns exactly the same
compiled object. The object returned by separate calls to
`foo-quoted' is all of EQ, EQL and EQUAL to any previous call, as you
can see in:
CL-USER> (let ((one-list (foo-quoted))
(another-list (foo-quoted)))
(mapcar (lambda (test)
(funcall test one-list another-list))
(list #'eq #'eql #'equal)))
(T T T)
CL-USER>
* In contrast, the object returned by the `foo-list' function is a newly
CONS-ed list every time the function runs:
CL-USER> (let ((one-list (foo-list))
(another-list (foo-list)))
(mapcar (lambda (test)
(funcall test one-list another-list))
(list #'eq #'eql #'equal)))
(NIL NIL T)
CL-USER>
The lists returned by `foo-list' are EQUAL, but they are neither EQ nor
EQL to each other. They are created from scratch by allocating new
storage for the value of the expression every time the `foo-list'
function is called.
2. Emacs Lisp test
------------------
* Save the same two functions in a file called "foo.el".
* Fire up Emacs, and byte-compile the file by typing
M-x byte-compile-file RET foo.el RET
* Load the byte-compiled file by typing
M-x load-file RET foo.elc RET
* Now evaluate the same two LET forms in your scratch buffer, by pasting
them in the buffer and typing `C-x C-e' after each expression.
Emacs Lisp should also evaluate them as:
(let ((one-list (foo-quoted))
(another-list (foo-quoted)))
(mapcar (lambda (test)
(funcall test one-list another-list))
(list #'eq #'eql #'equal)))
=> (t t t)
(let ((one-list (foo-list))
(another-list (foo-list)))
(mapcar (lambda (test)
(funcall test one-list another-list))
(list #'eq #'eql #'equal)))
=> (nil nil t)
I hope this makes what I initially wrote a bit easier to grasp :-)
Giorgos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-30 1:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-29 15:49 Basic Emacs Lisp question Matthias Pfeifer
2008-04-29 17:56 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-04-30 1:21 ` Giorgos Keramidas [this message]
2008-04-30 8:37 ` Tim X
2008-04-30 15:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-30 18:36 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-05-01 9:25 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-04-29 21:14 ` tyler
2008-04-30 8:31 ` Tim X
2008-05-05 13:38 ` tyler
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2014-09-09 19:35 Basic emacs lisp question Ken
2014-09-09 19:52 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-09 21:05 ` Thorsten Jolitz
[not found] ` <mailman.8562.1410296811.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-09 23:02 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-09-09 20:07 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-09-09 20:44 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-09-09 22:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-10 0:49 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-09-10 1:21 ` Ken
2014-09-10 6:00 ` Glyn Millington
2014-09-10 14:31 ` Ken
2014-09-10 13:12 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-10 14:06 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-09-10 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-10 15:45 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-10 16:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 11:10 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-11 11:10 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-09-10 21:39 ` Emanuel Berg
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