From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:24:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87twqxrdwm.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87zj0s5yc8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r3m45r7a.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87a8ss5ffj.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87mvwr41au.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442193422 20722 80.91.229.3 (14 Sep 2015 01:17:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:17:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 03:16:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbIO0-0003y6-6q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37685 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbINz-0006wr-LN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43231) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbINl-0006wm-Mj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:16:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbINi-0006dS-G2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:16:33 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:55026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbINi-0006Zc-94 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbINe-0003Zp-Gt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:16:26 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-244.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:16:26 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-244.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:16:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-244.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DoQRQPGioVrEgGvOluBrjuhTJEM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107193 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > You are very ill-informed, you don't know what Alan > Kay thinks of iPads and iPhones. I can't find the > exact quote I just Googled Alan Kay iPad iPhone and found a link [1] with the title Computing pioneer Alan Kay calls Apple's iPad user interface 'poor' I'm not surprised he thinks so. That is what I meant he would grab for the revolver himself if I showed him in 1969 what his work with Smalltalk eventually brought to humanity. You might have seen the second Terminator movie in which a android is sent back in time to kill the engineer who did "Skynet", which eventually enslaved humanity. But this is in line with your kind of thinking. Tho they killed the guy in that movie, that didn't change anything - just as killing Kay in 1969 wouldn't turn the iThings slaves of today into techno-warriors. [The reason I don't like those products isn't the interface in particular, tho that is one reason I don't use them. With a computer-like interface, i.e. a shell and a keyboard, they could be used for good. But most people still wouldn't.] [1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/03/computing-pioneer-alan-kay-calls-apples-ipad-user-interface-poor -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573