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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: member returns list
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:24:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87twqxrdwm.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87mvwr41au.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com

"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
writes:

> You are very ill-informed, you don't know what Alan
> Kay thinks of iPads and iPhones. I can't find the
> exact quote

I just Googled

    Alan Kay iPad iPhone

and found a link [1] with the title

    Computing pioneer Alan Kay calls Apple's iPad user
    interface 'poor'

I'm not surprised he thinks so. That is what I meant
he would grab for the revolver himself if I showed him
in 1969 what his work with Smalltalk eventually
brought to humanity.

You might have seen the second Terminator movie in
which a android is sent back in time to kill the
engineer who did "Skynet", which eventually
enslaved humanity.

But this is in line with your kind of thinking.
Tho they killed the guy in that movie, that didn't
change anything - just as killing Kay in 1969 wouldn't
turn the iThings slaves of today into techno-warriors.

[The reason I don't like those products isn't the
interface in particular, tho that is one reason
I don't use them. With a computer-like interface,
i.e. a shell and a keyboard, they could be used for
good. But most people still wouldn't.]

[1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/03/computing-pioneer-alan-kay-calls-apples-ipad-user-interface-poor

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-14  1:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-01 15:50 To `boundp' or not to `boundp'? Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-01 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 15:53   ` Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-01 16:42   ` Drew Adams
2015-09-01 17:13     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-01 18:00       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <mailman.331.1441125765.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-01 20:20     ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-01 23:37       ` member returns list (was: Re: To `boundp' or not to `boundp'?) Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:10         ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02  0:27           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:38             ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02  1:17               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  6:21                 ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02 21:20                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]               ` <mailman.370.1441156160.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-03  5:17                 ` member returns list Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-04  0:26                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02 16:45         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-02 21:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02 22:09             ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-02 22:11             ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02 22:13             ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-09-04  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-04  6:50                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-09-05 17:35                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-05 17:55                     ` Random832
2015-09-05 18:09                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-05 21:04                         ` Random832
2015-09-06  2:57                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.552.1441475739.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-05 23:39                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-06  2:46                         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-09  1:48                           ` Robert Thorpe
2015-09-09  2:44                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-09  3:19                               ` John Mastro
2015-09-10  0:25                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.557.1441507097.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-06 21:20                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-06 23:33                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.598.1441581917.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-06 23:47                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-07  1:29                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-07  2:25                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-09  1:44                                   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-09-10  0:23                                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.793.1441844665.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-10  2:01                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-10  2:32                                         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                           ` <ECCA0E56-A051-4D38-8CBB-6CE9208BB047@openmailbox.org>
2015-09-11  1:32                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  1:46                                               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.797.1441852386.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-10  4:21                                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-10 18:09                                             ` Alex Kost
2015-09-11  1:01                                               ` Random832
2015-09-11  1:28                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:01                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:52                                                     ` Random832
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.890.1441936900.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11  2:27                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:10                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:37                                                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2015-09-11  1:03                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  0:57                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  5:42                                               ` tomas
2015-09-12  0:18                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  8:12                                                   ` tomas
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.897.1441950163.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11 23:29                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:20                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.966.1442016910.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  2:01                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  3:26                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  7:50                                                       ` tomas
2015-09-12  2:03                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  2:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-12  3:12                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-12  3:31                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                       ` <mailman.972.1442025961.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  6:16                                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12 23:38                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  8:03                                                             ` tomas
2015-09-14  1:31                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.1016.1442100597.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  0:09                                                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-13  0:24                                                               ` John Mastro
     [not found]                                                               ` <mailman.1019.1442103883.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  4:29                                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-16  0:01                                                               ` computer history (was: Re: member returns list) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                       ` <mailman.978.1442028310.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  6:18                                                         ` member returns list Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12 23:56                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.1018.1442101697.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  0:20                                                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-14  1:24                                                               ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2015-09-12  2:04                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  3:15                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-12  7:40                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.884.1441933051.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11  2:26                                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:16                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-07  2:38                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-09-07  2:37                             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.502.1441349470.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-04 17:26                   ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-05 17:40                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:40       ` member (was: Re: To `boundp' or not to `boundp'?) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.363.1441150201.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 16:25         ` member returns list " Barry Margolin
2015-09-02 21:35           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.426.1441229773.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 22:56             ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-02 23:23               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.368.1441153951.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-03  5:19         ` member Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-04  0:24           ` member Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <<barmar-B5D67F.16201001092015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
2015-09-01 20:42       ` To `boundp' or not to `boundp'? Drew Adams
2015-09-02  2:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 15:26   ` Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-02 16:51     ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.410.1441212753.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 20:00       ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] <mailman.719.1441763081.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-09 15:03 ` member returns list Barry Margolin
2015-09-09 19:44   ` Ted Zlatanov

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