From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Vim project helps in Uganda, Emacs shall be next Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:55:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87tuq5241c.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <877dn22b0k.fsf@zoho.eu> <87y2fh275f.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29666"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:WNpuKhI2v4oUyUdSOHUJO5TEj9k= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 09:56:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDkXF-0007ay-Rn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:56:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDkXE-0000ir-Tq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 03:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDkWw-0000ik-16 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 03:55:54 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:42892) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDkWu-0006zM-BP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 03:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDkWs-0007BV-Nw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:55:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128177 Archived-At: >>> The Emacs-Vim $EDITOR war... that was ages ago >> >> I have no idea about the war, but where there are wars >> there are veterans > > There are and let's pray it stays that way for many years to > come... In the US armed forces it holds that [a] veteran is a former member of the Armed Forces ... who served on active duty and was discharged under conditions, which were other than dishonorable [1] That means there are 20 year old US Air force veterans! My own definition of being a veteran with respect to technology is that you are a veteran after using it actively for 10 years. "Actively" here means with an eye to the technology itself, so technology for its own sake, in part. E.g. just browsing the web and watching Star Trek with mpv's default settings on Ubuntu, that doesn't make you anything, well a Trekker/Trekkie perhaps, but not a Linux veteran with respect to the technology no matter how long you do it. This definition IMO holds for a lot of things. Doing martial arts from age 20 to 30 most definitely makes you a veteran, repairing bikes for a decade and you are a pro (often you are as good or better than the actuals professionals by then) ... and after 10 years, you should even understand your own wife pretty well, ey? So yes, a lot of people are Unix and Emacs veterans by now! Does that feel good? I don't know actually... well, yes! why not? :) [1] http://equity.psu.edu/veterans/criteria -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal