From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lack of integration in Emacs - it was Re: How to rename files to numbers in Eshell? Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 13:22:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87tuhx2fx8.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <875yuii4nk.fsf@inka.de> <87h7e2krgb.fsf@zoho.eu> <8735plk3m0.fsf@zoho.eu> <875yugh1ja.fsf@zoho.eu> <8735pifrqn.fsf@zoho.eu> <878rz9ead5.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15919"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:cQbZ39gs4icCPv1geF+9791jvHY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 04 13:29:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXM9d-0003t5-Q3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 13:29:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXM9c-0004r6-4n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXM8t-0004TB-HM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:28:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:43322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXM8r-000584-Kq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:28:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXM31-0004Wg-S8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 13:22:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133534 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: >>> Yes. As compared to other software Emacs offers >>> opportunity to integrate many features in one place. >>> It helps user operate computer easier. Though it goes >>> through peculiar Emacs way as compared to other software. >> >> Or other software is peculiar compared to Emacs, Emacs is >> from 1976. > > It still remains in old times. We have modern times, > new needs. > > Example is "recent files" integration: > > - Open "pluma" editor, it will offer "Recent files", related > to other editors and software which opened "recent files" > > - "Gedit" will offer "Recent files" and will see recent > files opened by "pluma" and other software > > - Emacs does not see recent files opened by other editors, > but it should. Integration in operating systems is there, > provisioned, prepared, but we don't have it. [...] Instead of complaining about all and everything you should either start implementing these features yourself (if they aren't anywhere to be found already) _or_ you should give up the idea of brining in zillions of clueless smartphone users into the Emacs realm. Because I don't think that would ever happen even _if_ Emacs had everything you are telling us it doesn't have. > Example are Emacs email clients, each so much different to > each other and none of them really ready for end users, none > may be compared to Evolution or Thunderbird for example. On the contrary, this is one area that we, with Gnus, is on top of things. > Old fashioned, hard to use. I use it all time, but my > personal satisfaction is far from what a modern user in year > 2021 can handle. You do? > Computing enthusiasm is not there any more, it drives me, > but not the people around me [...] Again what does it matter what other people do? If they are happy using smartphones, so be it. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal