From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How many packages do you use? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 04:11:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87ttlz27ta.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87bk892jcv.fsf@dataswamp.org> <878r3crncd.fsf@aarsen.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:870C+VYhGtiPERvo69KtV7IvGEI= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 23 18:35:55 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rdZSl-0002qD-Co for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:35:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rdZRj-0004JF-Ie; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:34:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rdLyi-0003it-R1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 22:12:00 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rdLyg-00029t-RK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 22:12:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rdLyd-0000XX-5d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 04:11:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:22:01 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:145972 Archived-At: Arsen Arsenović wrote: >> $ grep -h -o '(require .*)' **/*.el | sort -u | wc -l >> >> I use 159! > > ~$ qlist -I app-emacs/ | wc -l > 63 > > ... and a few more through USE=emacs. ? What commands and directory are those? >> Isn't it amazing that one almost never has any collisions >> doing it? Actually, I can't think of a single time that >> happened. But maybe it happened once or twice as I don't >> remember everything that happens. > > Depending on what you mean by collisions, I might or might > not have had some. If you bring in a bunch of stuff onto a global namespace, you get a collision if two things are called the same. >> Maybe this shows that built-in and/or enforced modularity >> is over-rated? > > I'm not sure I can agree even if that were true - I don't > see how one implies the other. One way of doing it is to have everything refered to by a full path or other composition notation involving the module name, so some function 'sin' from the package 'math' would be called by 'math:sin' or using some similar syntax to that end. And if there are two packages called 'math' one would etc etc. But any such schemes seems to be unnecessary, at least here. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal