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From: Omar Polo <op@omarpolo.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: urandom number in Emacs
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 09:22:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfw8s6zt.fsf@omarpolo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bl2woma5.fsf@zoho.eu>


Emanuel Berg via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org> writes:

>> This is a dynamic module with a function that reads from
>> /dev/urandom ... so more random numbers with
>> `random-urandom' than with `random' (since Lisp cannot read
>> from /dev/urandom because it's a non-regular file - IIUC?) -
>> so instead this uses the same C as in pwgen(1) to do it,
>> pretty simple I guess :P
>>
>> So now one can do (random-urandom) ... like any other Lisp
>> function and be on everyone else's level. Only cooler B)
>>
>> See a very long discussion on gmane.emacs.help ...
>>
>> Anyway, one C file, one C header file, and one Makefile
>> here:
>>
>>   https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/random-urandom/
>>
>> Just do 'make run'.
>
> ... Hello?
>
> Information theory guys? Practical guys writing it in Lisp?
> Portable and without any external tools? Why, don't run away
> all of a sudden?
>
> Can anyone hear me?
>
> I mean _this_ time around?

I mean, if you really need something like that and emacs doesn't already
provide it, why don't try cooking a diff to add it to base emacs instead
that an external module?

Also, the code is wrong:

>  if (nbytes == 0) {
>    return (rnd_num % max_num);
>  } else {
>    fprintf(stderr, "No entropy available!\n");
>    exit(1);
>  }

I don't think you want to quit emacs unconditionally if there's no
entropy.

Also, in some circumstances there could be better (and faster) ways to
obtain a random number, see for e.g. arc4random.

Cheers,

Omar Polo

P.S.: are you sure about checking for EAGAIN?  A read for a file
descriptor not marked as non-blocking shouldn't fail with EAGAIN, but
that's a minor nitpick.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-07  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-06 16:35 urandom number in Emacs Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-07  0:13 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-07  8:22   ` Omar Polo [this message]
2021-11-07  8:49     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-07  8:53       ` Omar Polo
2021-11-07  9:28         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-11-07  8:58       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-07 19:47         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.

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