From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Indentation with spaces Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:57:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87sfoclu32.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87fskezg7s.fsf@dataswamp.org> <1nSa0QRUilv-1bDwO14iTktsVVvkGK5Z4YmCRUQy2VEl-cydxtJo6_zDbkla_RGCnybukiWdu9YZaHdqGYOj9wsZArEK2AhrHk_ubYBrBYs=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31766"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:BVQyUPWV94EXteHpRGEKmXsSjew= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 10 12:53:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzcGV-00083q-3k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:53:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54482 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzcGT-0002AP-V5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 06:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57718) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzbON-00025n-DA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 05:57:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:48332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzbOK-0007e8-Du for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 05:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzbOH-0006Hy-BW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:57:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137596 Archived-At: goncholden wrote: > Python is garbage as far as I am concerned. It doesn't look or feel cool like Lisp but development is super-fast. I think an experienced Lisp programmer writes the typical program in slightly more time than a Python novice does. It's the langauge itself, but also all the resources on the web and everywhere else including source, Q&As, books, you name it ... because of its popularity. I think for these and other reasons it's better than shell scripts (it's interactive, or can be) and it's much less of a learning curve (and again faster development) compared to Perl and other comparable languages for comparable applications and use cases that I know of. Lisp is cooler, looks better and might be more powerful in terms of the language's expressiveness, other than those things (which are important, no doubt) I think Python would win most other Progralympic disciplines vs Lisp ... TBH! > The designers thought it would be neat to give semantic > meaning to whitespace. Why on earth would they give semantic > meaning to something that cannot be seen? Who thought that > was a good idea? It makes the code uniform from person to person in a way that makes sense (in one particular "sense", the enforced one, but still) - there are advantages with this both reading, writing and understanding - advantages related not the least to what I just mentioned, Python's one killer advantage, the development speed. Trust me, I wrote a Python bot which is employed as we speak working well and not crashing, and I did this very fast knowing nothing about Python and even less about IRC. It just happens with Python ... somehow. https://dataswamp.org/~incal/#sth -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal