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[141.239.253.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w6-20020aa79546000000b00573a32fb554sm3118133pfq.120.2022.11.21.13.52.36 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <875yf91ijd.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:24:06 +0000") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::632; envelope-from=bobnewell@bobnewell.net; helo=mail-pl1-x632.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141089 Archived-At: Thanks for the interesting replies. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it demonstrates again just how "personal" emacs is and how it becomes more and more so over time. However, I think the extent of it would stagger the uninitiated, and this raises a practical point. When attracting newcomers to emacs, they need to hear that you don't have to eat the elephant whole, and that with time and experience they will find their own best ways. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB