From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:14:23 +0100 Organization: disorganized Message-ID: <87r7ibhdm8.fsf@robotron.ath.cx> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111245789 4064 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 15:23:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 16:23:09 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCfn9-0007dE-QR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:23:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCg3r-0004Dv-UO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:40:23 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Trace: individual.net oaCgAPKr1TkJcQbCjwchWgks8+hO9OKaLW55gZGl1YRbilI4I= X-Orig-Path: robotron.ath.cx!news Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DV09aXS+93I0Xl54pqc1h4o3EcA= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129395 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24950 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24950 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:52:33 +0100 PT wrote: > By arrow keys I also mean text selection with shift+arrow keys, etc. It is > pretty standard in modern systems, so it should be turned on by default. This is no reason to remove the superior emacs key bindings. There is pretty much crap standard in "modern" systems, like dancing paperclips, automatic distribution of viruses and spam, unreadable mail attachments, ... David