From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ange-ftp and sftp? Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:24:22 +0900 Message-ID: <87r7f7dryh.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87u0kblbau.fsf@rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118622512 5285 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 00:28:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 02:28:29 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhcoN-00044e-5i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:28:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dhct3-0003Ac-Kg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dhcse-00037Z-Qn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:32:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhcsZ-00034R-SO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhcsZ-000331-Nt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:32:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DhclY-0007KS-Hi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from yokohama2-61-203-152-208.ap.0038.net ([61.203.152.208] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1DhckZ-0006ZF-Nc; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:24:24 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E18E8FB3; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:24:22 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87u0kblbau.fsf@rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "06 Jun 2005 17:06:33 +0100") Original-Lines: 25 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:27437 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:27437 Phillip Lord writes: > It would probably be easier just to use tramp instead. I don't know if > it will do sftp, but I do know that it can tunnel directly through > ssh. I use this all the time. > > I suspect that you have never tried tramp. It's a fine package! There was some discussion of this before, and the conclusion reached was just the opposite. Tramp works ok in it's domain, and is a valuable tool in situations where nothing else works, but it's essentially very inefficient (if you look at what it's doing you'll gag on your wheaties). Ange-ftp, by relying on ftp's direct support of various file-system operations, can be _much_ more efficient (and more reliable) -- and sftp is basically like ftp with many of the bogosities removed. Certainly ange-ftp is an old and crufty mode, and probably would need a bunch of work to eliminate assumptions about ftp, but apparently tramp would need even more work to handle sftp properly. -Miles -- I'm beginning to think that life is just one long Yoko Ono album; no rhyme or reason, just a lot of incoherent shrieks and then it's over. --Ian Wolff