From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Tennant Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is there any good website for emacs newbie? Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 23:33:07 +0300 Message-ID: <87r6pwz5vg.fsf@moley.org> References: <1178245635.686969.214290@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <1178256690.626492.147500@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1178307259.17374.55.camel@CASE> <87vef8z7t6.fsf@moley.org> <1178309792.17374.80.camel@CASE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178310759 24619 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 20:32:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:32:39 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 04 22:32:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hk4S8-0007J6-Lu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 22:32:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4Yo-0006BE-0c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:39:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4YB-0005we-JD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:38:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4Y9-0005vQ-Em for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:38:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4Y9-0005vL-4d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hk4RS-00007j-U9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4RI-0006iA-QP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 22:31:40 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.105.17.65 ([85.105.17.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 May 2007 22:31:40 +0200 Original-Received: from sebyte by 85.105.17.65 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 May 2007 22:31:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.105.17.65 User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.95 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6hlp0CY9C6kAEhU/6zIh4TpnAtw= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43697 Archived-At: Quoth William Case : > It's Friday afternoon, I live in a government city (Ottawa) so all work > has stopped, and your dealing with a recent Emacs zealot. It's nearly midnight in İstanbul (that's Istanbul in case Unicode doesn't work for you) and everyone I know is out drinking. >> Don't you think we should be careful with the 'it's really simple' >> language beacuse it's definitely _not_ simple to a newcomer? >> > Your right. One shouldn't confuse simplicity with easy. Language (at least the English language) let's us down at this point. >> P.S. That double-entry bookkeeping thing... How about an 'off-topic' >> thread so that we can all impress our bank managers ;-) Ah, >> those were the days... > > I was trying to use the metaphor to say Emacs is difficult as long as > you bring a lot of incorrect assumption to it. Its worth sticking at it > until the day of "epiphany" when you finally get it (the actual > simplicity of the thing with no assumptions needed). At least that was > how it worked for me with debits and credits, and Emacs. The only assumptions I bring to accounting are that the whole thing is a waste of time! As people will begin to realise when we start running Economy 2.0 :-) Sebastian