From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: trebol55555@yahoo.es Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for mail: VM - WL - GNUS Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87r5ayd895.fsf@yahoo.es> References: <4d643f0b$0$23752$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298478170 4144 80.91.229.12 (23 Feb 2011 16:22:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday Reddy , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: James Freer Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 23 17:22:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsHTx-0001dQ-Qt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:22:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57154 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PsHTw-000752-VU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:22:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48284 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PsHTQ-0006vn-KG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsHTP-0003dB-HF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:56 -0500 Original-Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.226]:34805) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsHTP-0003cu-5v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 16:21:53 -0000 Original-Received: from [217.146.183.165] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 16:21:53 -0000 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 16:21:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 402641.78294.bm@omp1006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Original-Received: (qmail 90940 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 16:21:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.es; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Mail-Followup-To:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HfnZisTNcAqK+fx+//uGvFFS9PgR8TejOKrdWd+HCwTTa5hA5doS4uqbL3/t81nqS++kxNdt65VThWTDq7miGQIliT36rThIAJyFl9PvMHeQmp8BWvPAr11zhnyIPGK1jrq0UteOWavoMWvHyXcuviUO7QzlY8eUnqQ9H6NUF74= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s1024; t=1298478113; bh=hdiJfERUpFRV2njP6fpQP6Szlj2WGPrPm0GvH5w5yzo=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Mail-Followup-To:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J7O7F30m9fTEnKubneVObl72pkr1NCfbA49+FekcIwcwXDAatVeQayn1BvbFSNo4CdiZrInIULRdLSWArOaEZ5DuO6ROjtIXY94RH318T+n3r1QVn5DhcYTQ4r7QDS2mId+nVjGh8yLFLbkNfKJBoi+4Cqn/r8SyRL3lr3iO3bQ= Original-Received: from localhost (trebol55555@79.147.43.119 with plain) by smtp128.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 16:21:52 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: AmwbanWswBDJMo76l6AgLuWlxtoW9JWg X-YMail-OSG: UwtV9A8VM1kdp8Z_dwD33e.3heymVATDusg7GA3LTCuoJMf ._uTqVQQKMSE_oaqCdCa9ymmk7OZ7LGasj9rfdSuiSN0hNdaoDvBS6s7961k 9jJI2_fWB2NhuTtHL4qvdNxGvgDr30i3WHAtXjl9PdkvkzIGCYIDSSQVSom8 Ab_WkBfgdS2a0i4MDkEuq4G4P6ECH6U_jPnNA8nBclRUO0bD.L0xMx1FopKV ON53WGECpVEKrHo3f3h8_xY._LRzw66CBW9MK9hCXoGrygH.s X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mail-Followup-To: James Freer , Uday Reddy , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (James Freer's message of "Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:20:57 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 217.146.183.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:79388 Archived-At: James Freer writes: > Many thanks for the suggestion. I have to say that i don't find emacs > particularly user friendly... i get the impression that it's intended > to be like that - even after one's gone and bought the book. I did > look into offlineimap but again i haven't found it easy to follow. > > james Emacs is more or less a lisp interpreter. The basic macros that are part of emacs are "newbie" user friendly (In fact there are a lot of buttons, menus an other things which a experiment user never use). When you try make other things a little more sophisticated like fetch your mail, people who write docs think you already have experience with emacs configurations. The wiki is good, the docs are good, and both are user friendly (not "newbie" user friendly, it's impossible). I think the best way (just for me...) to fetch mail from a external server is download it with fetchmail, filtered it with procmail, and read it with gnus. Gnus can fetch the mail directly but this method is slowly (when you open gnus, you must wait for the connect-identification-download-filter process). Gnus is a big toy with a lot of functionalyties, so if you are new in emacs and just read the manual, you'll shoot your head, not your foot. If you want, send me a private mail with a fictitious data (imap or pop server, user id, password, and smtp server if you want send mail via external server) and I will send you all the information necessary to get a working MTA & MUA with this applications and emacs-gnus. More possibilities you want, more configurations you must do! At first is slowly... and hard... and bored... very bored... But when you start to walk a little more fast, oooh, you don't want do anything outside emacs! So don't give up! Best wishes, Trebol.