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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o17sm13504788wrg.32.2020.12.18.02.52.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Dec 2020 02:52:19 -0800 (PST) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: (steve-humphreys@gmx.com's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:30:26 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::433; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x433.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126492 Archived-At: steve-humphreys@gmx.com writes: >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 11:18 AM >> From: "Philip K." >> To: steve-humphreys@gmx.com >> Cc: "Help Gnu Emacs" >> Subject: Re: ielm not described in: An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp >> >> steve-humphreys@gmx.com writes: >> >> > ielm not described in: An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp. >> > >> > Yet there are many reasons for beginners to use ielm. Have some >> > examples and beginners will get more productive using it as they >> > delve into new things. >> >> I guess it's not mentioned, because it is not necessary, and at least to >> my knowledge, most people will be using C-x C-e (eval-last-sexp) and >> C-M-x (eval-defun) in the *scratch* buffer. Using a REPL, when you can >> evaluate any part of a buffer seems like a step back to me. > > I think ielm has more features than just plain evaluation. > The one I use most is `ielm-change-working-buffer', which is massively convenient, and not documented anywhere I can see. Robert