From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 10:03:47 +0000 Message-ID: <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20777"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:0r3ERtZBsLBVQMw4rbJfeYDgWyo= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 08 18:22:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9AFU-0005JN-TN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:22:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43260 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9AFT-000860-VF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 12:22:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l93Ov-00033j-PI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 05:04:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:55234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l93Oh-00056J-K1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 05:04:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l93Ob-0004pS-Kg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 11:03:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Face: BHjiJOg/Qmj'BQgsAKL@])L)e62P)C"Y=6T Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAGQAAAAeBAMAAAAodabAAAAAB3RJTUUH1wQdAAY04/L8hgAA AAlwSFlzAAAewQAAHsEBw2lUUwAAAARnQU1BAACxjwv8YQUAAAASUExURc7OzpwAAAAAAP////8A AGNj/2aqqTQAAAA8SURBVHjaYzA2NnEBAmdj01D8wNgYpM7F2JiBgYFREAgEGJiU8AMGBpA6QaCG UVtGbRm1ZdSWUVsGjS0Aq20lJnMawnkAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127660 Archived-At: >>>>> S Boucher via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > C-z is bound to a low frequency use function > (suspend-frame)... and speaking for myself, I probably can count > on one hand the number of times I've used it in the last 25years > :-) > I would suggest:1) move suspend-frame to "C-c C-z" (that is still > a quick shortcut) 2) reserve C-z for users That still > leaves a whole lot with C-z C-... C-z M-... As way of an illustration of the legion of different emacs usages, I use C-z to suspend the frame several times a day. This is because I have an emacs always open in a terminal and C-z is a simple way of getting back to the terminal - easier, I find, than opening a shell in the already terminal-running emacs. C-c C-z is not as convenient. Best wishes,