From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs help from terminal Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 19:31:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87r13oa51n.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <877d5jgxa8.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7yv1fbs.fsf@web.de> <87pmjaxm40.fsf@web.de> <87a6ae8bnw.fsf@dataswamp.org> <871qvqypvy.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgidozil.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32060"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:MgKqjhTwTBUrzCml7fV/fp/trDw= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 16 19:34:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o1tNd-0007xp-OD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 19:34:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56204 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1tNc-0000rt-OV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1tLN-0000q5-7t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:31:45 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:44190) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1tLL-0001sG-BK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:31:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o1tLH-0004Qp-0m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 19:31:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137889 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > That somehow gives me impression that in this case of shell > job suspension, you start thinking from your habits and > assume that every computer user does the same. Trust me, people don't do that anymore. And for good reason since there is no advantage in controlling processes manually at that level, if there is any need for that functionality they should be given a proper interface that is specialized/adapted for the situation, and in time, even that should be fully automated. > And I have given you quite a real example [...] Jean, as you know a Spitfire and a Messersmith are aeroplanes. They fly without any problem and to the layman quite aptly so. But you don't have to be a flying ace to understand that against an F-16 or a MiG they don't stand a chance. So you see, to keep them "quite real" one has to keep them VERY unemployed! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal