From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai Grossjohann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: one key is beeping - don't know why... Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:12:29 +0000 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87ptf0k3o2.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> References: <874r0xiass.fsf@gmx.net> <3F2EBFC9.9080902@yahoo.com> <873cggla1s.fsf@gmx.net> <3F310A11.6050707@yahoo.com> <87smodipvh.fsf@lux99.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070813716 26829 80.91.224.253 (7 Dec 2003 16:15:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 07 17:15:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AT1Yv-0001Li-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:15:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AT2W2-0005GU-VC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:16:18 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.DE!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 26 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.de (213.203.244.156) Original-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070813557 74958026 213.203.244.156 ([73968] 10430) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:RSsn3o7o/4zclvdfLPJP/dQokFw= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:119080 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:15020 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:15020 Clemens Fischer writes: > i always thought that leim is needed for non-roman languages. This is wrong: On the one hand, Leim is not needed to type Chinese, say. On the other hand, Leim can be useful even for typing Roman languages. Leim allows you to input non-ascii characters with an ascii-only keyboard. (Well, the ascii-only keyboard also has F1 through F12, usually, so strictly speaking it's a misnomer.) I don't know exactly what a Roman language is, but let's talk about Italian as a close approximation. Leim allows you to enter characters such as ù and é even if there are no such keys on your keyboard. So Leim can be useful even for -- well, is Italian a Roman language? And then, Leim can be used to type Chinese or Japanese, amongst others. I guess these are non-Roman languages. But you don't *need* Leim for this: many people have an OS setup for typing Chinese, and they can use their existing method to type Chinese characters into Emacs, too, without Leim being used at all. Does this make sense? Kai