From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Guerry Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:46:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87prp5rhn2.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <66d0c5e3-95d3-4c9b-a602-273375d6cf1f@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87ljzuiayr.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216745246 18044 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 16:47:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 18:48:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLL1z-0001QH-Ax for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:48:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34791 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLL16-0003LU-1m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLL0i-0003Ik-SH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:46:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLL0g-0003EJ-M8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43701 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLL0g-0003EA-KO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]:20824) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLL0g-0003z8-CV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6582595nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:sender; bh=WpxXLB3sXmb9fUdBMJEwdKUK2MrSjYcS0AO8ghbNOgU=; b=vZRT92B3B8oJ1Fpl2Q5P/3EVqQMvPj6Zg2zKnPz5tyikf5I9T81kEnQRmf6Jbk2XWg bgdPWAWQGRWflv+yn1s0vBzSo8fBgrXUmif9vzkM2az4PJFcEtyuue8Y/ApyinwJgpnr Ya1T/XAfy47kOW2jpp/59vJKrO37HUmUbfx6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:sender; b=o5DXjrRnPgmCMDdd67dLF0ReABuJpq8k7xJ8FwM/q6xt9tTm3ZlM3ibloaMJ9vVsr0 06SjK3rM3AYyTWnWg+ueEUookVlkGNjpcIbmZmOv27eP7jvu1kWu0hqQAAiRp2YafCzN uQB5yziJqwwro69kH8gil9zMjkqHtA5Ag/UOs= Original-Received: by 10.210.56.10 with SMTP id e10mr4712060eba.20.1216745205013; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [79.94.49.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h6sm5835146nfh.29.2008.07.22.09.46.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 67038157568; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:46:41 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:13:23 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55813 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:23, Bastien Guerry wrote: > >> Or because the concept of "File" is not as central as the concept of >> "buffer". > > But Xah Lee is not arguing against the concept. He is arguing against > the terminology... My sentence above was a reaction to Xah's sentence: "Emacs doesn't have a keyboard shortcut for this due the fact that emacs has build on the 1980's mindset and havn't modernized." I think that the reason Emacs doesn't have a keybinding for "Close" is because the concept of a buffer is more central to Emacs than the concept of a file. Open/Close is bound to file manipulation, and many buffer manipulations are not related to files at all - think of dired, for example. >> The notion of "buffer" might be emacs specific, but it's not 1980's. > > I don't think the notion of "buffer" is Emacs specific; as Xah Lee has > said, in other environments (editors, IDEs, etc.) they exist, it's > just that they exist under a different name ("workspace" being a nice > alternative). I don't think "buffer" and "workspaces" are synonymous, and I don't think there is anything wrong with the current use of "buffer". -- Bastien