From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:38:58 +0100 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87pqsssx25.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <0d3b97e2-c21c-4a83-a8dc-1ba186a5a405@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2x0n3.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87d3ottiyp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293097374 15754 80.91.229.12 (23 Dec 2010 09:42:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:42:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 10:42:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVhgP-0002ZI-FH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:42:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44077 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVhfp-0003Mf-NO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:41:25 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Trace: individual.net +Gn+P5KKchLlFHGQjFAVWwqInkEV9F8Y8I9NJXVvsR8IhtU/5S Cancel-Lock: sha1:N2JmMDY2MDIxNzcyMDZjOGQyOTM5ZmM3NWJiZmZmYTUyM2I1MzNkMg== sha1:PpKkKm4AbQu+D47hqcMG+Pd5/68= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183577 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77819 Archived-At: Elena writes: > On Dec 23, 12:45 am, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > wrote: >> Richard Riley writes: >> > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: >> >> >> Elena writes: >> >> >>> That's the problem: every Emacs power user seems to be chasing this >> >>> holy grail of a greatly customized Emacs, but I have yet to see a >> >>> customized Emacs matching a customized IDE. >> >> >> IDE are not customizable. >> >> > Huh? >> >> > Of course they are. >> >> Close to none, compared to emacs.  The main problem is that they either >> propose a fixed set of options ("preferences"), or if they propose a >> "programming" language, it's a half-backed proprietary languages, often >> not even Turing-complete. > > False. IDE plugins are developed in Turing-complete languages, thus > they can do whatever they please. The scripting language embedded in > most IDEs is just for less-demanding tasks. Not to mention that sometimes, the customization part of the IDE, is sold as a separate products, with separate license tokens, and therefore you are not necessarily able to use it as routinely as the main, frozen IDE. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.