From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87pp1vjf7v.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <55E5C99B.3020608@yandex.ru> <87lhcpu2wb.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <874mjchisl.fsf@web.de> <87pp20jxy7.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twrcxyfk.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y4gnt2r5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twran0dw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87d1xwbwh9.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oahgbfmp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87k2s3b5xw.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441581943 32135 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 23:25:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:25:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 01:25:30 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJQ-0000oX-Jo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:25:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51283 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJQ-0008Oj-DR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:25:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJD-0008ON-7P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:25:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJ9-0000AV-Tr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:25:15 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52153) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJ9-0000AP-NQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYjJ1-0000Nz-PI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-244.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-244.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:25:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-244.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dc+YZ7SSyBpaBRWXER0AghJUsAk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107060 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > Because each implementation worked on a different > machine with a different OS (if an OS was available > at all). Yeah, but there were many machines at the time of the "crazy language" C as well, still, there aren't a plethora of C dialects. (If you don't count all the epigone languages that borrowed heavily the syntax of C.) But C is famous for its portability (which also proliferated Unix) - perhaps the exception that confirms the rule, that Lisp is cooler than C? > But basically, he started GNU emacs and designing > emacs lisp slightly beforem the CL standardization > process started, and it was far from obviouos that > it would succeed (it took ten years!). OK, but when it did "succeed", why not then? And, cannot CL be used from Elisp, with explicit notation (actually naming), but nonetheless? I can't say I have a problem with this. As for me, I wouldn't mind one big Lisp which included everything from all sound Lisp dialects. In time, people would still use virtually the same stuff. It would be a de facto standardization. And whenever it wouldn't happen, oh my, people just had to learn more. But one Lisp, one Unix, one Linux distro, etc., It sure has its appeal. In practice I think the diversity/divergence is a strength. Only personally I would never do a new language, a new media player, or a new . It is just the way of the street. Different people are different, in different ways. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573