From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: <87pn0z12rt.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <51e726ab000a1191c27a@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27914"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 10:12:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCIsk-0007BI-AN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:12:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCIsj-0005AX-Co for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 04:12:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33030) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCIo9-0003Xn-I8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 04:07:42 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp46.blacknight.com ([46.22.136.58]:36101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCIo5-0002gb-NG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 04:07:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail06.blacknight.ie [81.17.255.152]) by outbound-smtp46.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEADEFAE34 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:07:34 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 18969 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2021 09:07:34 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rt-inspiron-3480) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[51.37.90.145]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 17 Feb 2021 09:07:34 -0000 In-Reply-To: <51e726ab000a1191c27a@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:08:30 +0000) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=46.22.136.58; envelope-from=rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com; helo=outbound-smtp46.blacknight.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128128 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: >> >> I'm not sure I understand your point here. Any single key that's picked >> will have a similar limitation. >> > > With a single key you indeed have a limitation, but it's the limitation of > the keyboard, not an arbirary one. You have full access to all letters, > all digits, all symbols, combined or not with the control and/or meta > modifier. That's a lot more than 26 or 52 keys. I see what you mean but I don't think it's a huge difference. Most desktop keyboards have ~104 keys. And some of those can't be differentiated from each other by Emacs. Laptop keyboards usually have fewer, mine has 81. >> For example, let's suppose that M-o is picked. That's my favourite, I >> know you don't like it. >> > > It's in the proposal, it would be a perfect choice, together with C-o. I think C-o is a terrible idea. Open-line is a very useful command. It's useful in all sorts of text editing scenarios. Yes, the same can be done using return and C-b, but that's longer. In my opinion, M-o is a good idea though. The M-o prefix is only really useful in enriched mode. Perhaps it could be retained in that mode only. BR, Robert Thorpe