From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lisp books Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:17:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmsiwj87.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87lf3aeasj.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <87ilyb237u.fsf@zoho.eu> <87pmsjzhay.fsf@zoho.eu> <20211006070643.GB20835@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15131"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:9/raNzdnhHsHS+b8Jp4Z+qDT6Ts= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 12:18:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mY404-0003fm-Lz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:18:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60630 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY403-00012G-HZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 06:18:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY3zI-000109-LL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 06:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:33928) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY3zF-0007wm-8I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 06:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mY3zD-0002WA-5h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:17:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133605 Archived-At: tomas wrote: >>> But not just Emacs Lisp but "History of Lisp"? >> >> Try https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/155360.155373 > > I learnt to despise those: they have become > cookie/javascript black holes [1] as of late. Indeed, didn't work for me either (or I gave up, maybe). >> or the director's cut: >> https://www.dreamsongs.com/Files/HOPL2-Uncut.pdf > > *That*'s how links in the Internet are, in my > wildest dreams! Indeed (again) > [1] By default, my browser doesn't do any of them. No, > I don't think they are after me. But I'm fed up by all > that slimy stuff, kind of the vacuum cleaner salespeople > of the XXI. Yes, consider me as a kind of a funny > Internet Vegan or something. I won't mind ;-D Indeed! You can do this [last] with Emacs-w3m. I remember a discussion where there was a page and you'd visit and it'd tell you the footprint you made. What happened with Emacs-w3m an my setting was ironically that it made such a small footprint, it was highly unusual :) But I'm not a tin-hat enough to think anything bad can really happen to anyone because of that. Maybe in China or Belarus? Even so, why gamble ... Now tomas you seem to think your sentiments are rare but they are not. The only thing to add is a note on JavaScript which, _in general_, and as you know, isn't "a shabby-construction web-programming language with a C++ syntax". "Hello, everyone, this is 2021 calling. Please update your calendars, it is no longer the 1990s", as it was put. (setq w3m-add-user-agent nil) (setq w3m-use-cookies nil) (setq w3m-use-refresh nil) (defun w3m-display-progress-message (_)) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal