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[141.239.253.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u12-20020a17090341cc00b001888cadf8f6sm11960764ple.49.2023.01.22.11.53.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:53:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:46:03 -0800") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033; envelope-from=bobnewell@bobnewell.net; helo=mail-pj1-x1033.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142505 Archived-At: David Masterson writes: > Bob Newell writes: > >>>> > I don't recommend Gnus unless you have a lot of time to >>>> > configure Emacs and don't do any business/HTML email. >> >> I do ALL my business email, dozens of messages per day, in >> Gnus. > > Lucky you. I am currently in an environment where I am effectively the (volunteer) CEO of a small organization, so I get to do pretty much what I want. But see below. > It's lonely, though, working on a programming team using various > proprietary software (MS Office, Outlook, etc.), you can't get support > for the stuff you're used to, your docs/emails don't conform to office > standards (wrong template), and projects are due. > > Hopefully, this has changed since I worked. I am also retired. But still in my current volunteer position, even though I'm at the top of the food chain, I have to deal with the ingrained MS culture among the office staff and the other directors. The problem is very little with email exchange, though--- it's primarily document exchange, with one director insisting on using Word as a page layout program. However --- pre-retirement --- I was able to do quite well running Linux in a scientific lab environment where people sort of did what they want. There were some issues with Word and Powerpoint but by and large it worked out. In fact it was at that Lab that a colleague got me started on Gnus. I had always thought of Gnus as big and wild and untamed. I wasn't wrong, but the colleague showed me that with some effort there were great advantages to be had. Of course in a typical corporate setting that indeed would have been problematic. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB