From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian Masinick Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why 19.34? [Oldest running Emacs version] Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:12:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87of27gbyq.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87znlvipm6.fsf@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052770467 31557 80.91.224.249 (12 May 2003 20:14:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 12 22:14:23 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19FJgk-0008CM-00 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:14:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FJiH-0005U8-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:15:57 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,alt.religion.emacs,comp.emacs User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TtdO17C5sfBC+IH37HsvOsOp5KQ= Original-Lines: 62 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.146.182 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com Original-X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1052770361 24.62.146.182 (Mon, 12 May 2003 20:12:41 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:12:41 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:113128 alt.religion.emacs:8083 comp.emacs:79190 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9623 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9623 Alan Mackenzie writes: > In comp.emacs Brian Masinick wrote: > >> I can't remember how long ago it was, but I happened to come across a >> GNU Emacs 18.55 or 19.57 implementation. Though my very first >> introduction to Emacs actually happened on a MULTICS system and the >> version was prior to the creation of GNU Emacs, I actually started >> using GNU Emacs regularly around the time that 18.55 came out. I >> probably used 18.55 for around a year, then moved to 18.57, 18.58 >> briefly, and 18.59 before starting to use the 19 releases. I probably >> used 19.28 and 19.34 more than any other releases in that release >> cycle. I think I've used all of the version 20 releases and I've >> definitely used all of the version 21 releases. > > A question from a "newbie": What was so special about GNU Emacs 19.34? > Why did it become (and stay) so popular? You've indicated that there > were versions 19.xx for xx > 34. There are Info files which refer > specifically to 19.34 (well, at least one that does). Books (well, at > least one book) say "The examples in this book ... were tested in GNU > Emacs version 19.34 ...". > > So, why 19.34? > >> Way back in version 18, there were really basic X11 capabilities that >> were implemented through the direct use of X11 Xlib calls. As such, >> performance was pretty good, and overhead was modest, compared to >> today's software, but the capabilities of the graphical interface were >> rather limited. The Epoch project and the Lucid Emacs project were >> initiated to improve the X support. For better or for worse, that's >> where the separation came between the GNU Emacs and the XEmacs >> projects. > >> gatekeeper.dec.com, accessible through anonymous FTP, contains many >> versions of GNU Emacs software. The oldest version they still have >> available is a version of 19.34. > > Sorry, which release was that again, exactly? ;-) > > Thanks in advance! > >> -- >> Brian Masinick >> mailto:masinick@yahoo.com > > -- > Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) > Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter > (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a"). The directory /pub/GNU/emacs on gatekeeper.dec.com (also known as gatekeeper.research.compaq.com) contains many versions of GNU Emacs, including emacs-19.34b.tar.gz (the oldest one I could spot) and emacs-21.3.tar.gz, the current version. You can also find versions of Emacs on mirror sites in many locations around the world. I happen to like that particular location; it usually works very well for me, personally. -- Brian Masinick mailto:masinick@yahoo.com