From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "MIT/GNU/Linux" Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:25 +0200 Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source Message-ID: <87odpmlnze.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167406881 12793 80.91.229.10 (29 Dec 2006 15:41:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 29 16:41:18 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0Jr7-0000op-UM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:41:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0Jr7-0004dI-H8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:41:13 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zBB6Bz6gIhC7E3dc/2p7XNwkDdk= Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.103.39.229 Original-X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=UgK?IS2n5:ioTl; T5CL^Mjg2:ak; I7eU]gGb30c[>DY7kU; g; TflJlon Original-X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:144401 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:40003 Archived-At: On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:59:39 +0200, "Micha Feigin" wrote: >B. Smith-Mannschott wrote: >>On Dec 29, 2006, at 02:12, Leo wrote: >>> In every emacs-* mailing lists, it has been extremely consistent to >>> use Linux and GNU/Linux i.e. Linux means the kernel and GNU/Linux >>> is the operating system that contains a Linux kernel. > > The operating system is the kernel. I have to respectfully disagree. A kernel without the userland tools to make good use of it is pretty much useless. > GNU is one of the more popular option (but not the only one) for the > tools running over the operating system. I think GNU/Linux is just RMS > being overly pushy and and egomaniac. No, RMS is right. First of all, there are other examples where "parts" have a different name from the "whole". Consider for example the fine difference between "SunOS" and "The Solaris Operating Environment" :) Secondly, it may be cool to say that "Linux is only the kernel", but this is a relatively strange way of looking at things. You can't really "boot" a standalong Linux kernel without the support of the myriad of tools people have grafted on top of it. A functional, and *complete* operating environment -- at least from the perspective of the end user -- includes both the Linux kernel *and* the surrounding tools. Giorgos