From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:41:12 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87oarov5lz.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> <874mtgwpzl.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417376426 17185 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2014 19:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 30 20:40:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XvALy-0004xH-Q0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:40:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51555 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvALy-000139-Eh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:40:18 -0500 X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 195.154.128.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 106 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:L0U2I+SW210cMZglzSn5oxbGzZs= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209047 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101325 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > Exactly. Not the same (but similar) with (La)TeX; we > TeX users are so accustomed to running TeX aagain and > again on a file that we may subconsciously treat it as > an interactive process;-). Yes, recompilation of huge documents for small changes isn't fun, especially when it has to be done all over to get references, index, stuff like that. Here is my makefile for my latest document: name = report texc = xelatex texf = -halt-on-error ${name}.pdf: ${name}.tex ${name}.bib $(texc) $(texf) ${name}.tex makeindex ${name}.idx 2> /dev/null biber ${name} > /dev/null $(texc) $(texf) ${name}.tex > /dev/null clean: zsh -c 'rm -rf in missfont.log ${name}.(aux|bbl|bcf|bib.blg|blg|log|run.xml|toc|pdf|out|idx|ilg|ind)' As you see, two compilation. Imagine that when you just fix a typo. > Shameless plug: http://mbork.pl . Quite some (La)TeX > stuff, and mainly Emacs stuff lately (postings on > average once a week, usually Saturdays). Some of > that in Polish, but I switched to almost exclusively > posting in English. (Sadly, this switch temporarily > eliminated one of my favourite topics where I have > no enough knowledge of English vocabulary; will work > on that.) Some things that are not computers I write of as if they were. I first thought people would think it a strange style but on the contrary they appreciate it so I definitely think all this computer reading and writing benefited my skills in doing the same for other topics as well. For computers, doing it in my native language isn't exactly a problem but I prefer English. Just so much more practice and otherwise I would have to either use English words all the time or make up uncomfortable translations. It is in some ways an unlucky state but it is a reality. But a good book (or article, speech, etc.) in any language (that you understand) is always better than a poor one in your prefered language. > In theory, yes. In practice, this is more difficult. > I mean, Emacs on Ubuntu should be as simple as sudo > apt-get install emacs; but then, in most points in > time, this got you an ancient version. The same with > TeX, and other things. So step by step you install > more and more things manually, and then why not get > Gentoo? If that is so I see why you didn't like Ubuntu. No, Debian can be used year-out year-in only using aptitude and the associated tools. Nothing manual. I think Ubuntu should be the same so either you were unlucky or it isn't, but Ubuntu is aptitude (or apt-get) based too, as you know. > Yes, I even used some of them for some time. My goal > is to set up a decent tiling WM (preferably StumpWM, > maybe Awesome), so I'm not really interested in this > KDE/Gnome/Unity/whatever dispute. (The main goal is > to have Emacs occupy the whole screen, without these > stupid decorations, and get rid of the > mouse/touchpad. I hardly ever use anything but > Emacs, a terminal, Evince and Firefox or Chrome > anyway.) To have Emacs occupy the whole screen is easy. You can put it in the Linux VTs as I do but probably you want it in X. That's easy too. With a window manager you can have it in a terminal emulator (xterm for example) and then have the xterm window maximized with -fullscreen, and then have it all automatized in ~/.xinitrc and additionally configured in ~/.Xresources, e.g. ! xterm xterm*autoWrap: true xterm*faceName: xft:bitstram vera sans mono:size=15:antialias=true xterm*metaSendsEscape: true !! xterm colors ! normal xterm*color0: #000000 // black xterm*color1: #B40000 // red etc. If what you want is fullscreen Emacs, that goal is attainable :) -- underground experts united