From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 07:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87o8gpsqhu.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16579"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 08:20:38 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lASkn-0004Dv-Qu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:20:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37398 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASkm-0000oc-Qo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:20:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASjj-0000nq-0Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:19:32 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp57.blacknight.com ([46.22.136.241]:36317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASjg-0000vo-Kr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:19:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail04.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.17]) by outbound-smtp57.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F13D3FADD8 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 07:19:24 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 14704 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2021 07:19:24 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rt-inspiron-3480) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.76.74.4]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 12 Feb 2021 07:19:24 -0000 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:58:36 +0000) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=46.22.136.241; envelope-from=rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com; helo=outbound-smtp57.blacknight.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127837 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > [Removed bugs@gnu.support from cc list. > Why was it included?] That email address is Jean Louis, that's why it's there. I find it confusing too. >> If a *general* moratorium isn't possible, then how about a more >> specific one? How about applying it only to certain keymaps >> or prefix keys. > > We shouldn't assume from the get-go that a more > general hands-off isn't possible. > > (I know you said "if". But Emacs devel _can_ > sometimes be moved by what its users say they want.) I'm not convinced that a totally general moratorium would be good. For example, on this list a few days ago we talked about info-apropos. John Yates suggested binding it to a key in the C-h prefix. I think something like that is fairly harmless. Changing something two prefixes away is likely to affect nobody (e.g. C-x 8 1). BR, Robert Thorpe