From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Maciek Pasternacki Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs for everything? 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X-Fnord: xefitra X-Face: "z$0S%vIy|*@uf~&cUy(t.|Ww`"[=wFe(FAC->(lhsd_}0Y\^STZ&LL%W~ikh(=7DBY*>LV )*~d, +@xH3!+USJ8tt"etVnco#l:Yg.'1QEoqEb'aft~ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22250 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22250 On Boomtime, The Aftermath 35, 3170 YOLD, Kai Grossjohann wrote: > I also like to use C-x and C-x (next-buffer and > previous-buffeer), and indeed most window managers offer this function > on Alt-Tab (and Alt-Shift-Tab). But I really hate the WMs to steal > Alt-Tab. I want to use M-TAB for completion in Emacs. This > functionality should select windows in MRU order. My .fvwm/bindings starts with removing all default key bindings (incl. alt+tab); X11 binds Windows keys as Super modifier, so all window manager keybindings I use are Super+something - this way I have whole keyboard available for FVWM (e.g., I use super with y-p-/-n rectangle to switch between virtual desktops (viewports, in fact) that are on 5x3 grid) *and* FVWM doesn't steal keybindings from other applications. Of course I could use Super bindings with applications but I don't need to -- only application in which I would need it is Emacs and there I have C- reserved for private use and it's enough for me. Well-configured WM is incomparable in terms of convenience to virtual terminal. But in order to have well-configured WM one has to, well, configure it. ;) There is no universally-good configuration and I sculpted my own from ground up; it took some time but now I feel that I'm tha boss on my desktop and it behaves as I need. Just my $0,03. Also, I don't like screen(1) eating my C-a which I use frequently to jump to beginning of line in shell. After thinking about other binding to use, I realised that I use virtually every binding (since I learned Emacs I use the same bindings in shell). So I integrated shell with FVWM (current beta is at http://japhy.fnord.org/pub/ScreenTerm, when it'll get more mature I'll put it on my home page) so I can control my screen session as multi-terminal by window manager. Just in case somebody found it useful. -- __ Maciek Pasternacki [ http://japhy.fnord.org/ ] `| _ |_\ / { Bullshit makes the flowers grow ,|{-}|}| }\/ & it's beautiful. } \/ |____/ ( Principia Discordia ) -><-