From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: run-with-timer does not display message
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:37:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwc3stxc.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.5754.1405858540.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Sebastian Wiesner <swiesner@lunaryorn.com> writes:
>> 2. Interestingly, what I can see, my method, with
>> backticks and commas, isn't that "lexical" - because
>> then, there, the actual values are inserted?
>
> Note quite. The backquote is “static” in that it
> captures the *value* of the variable at the time the
> backquote is evaluated. “Lexical” binding captures
> the *variable itself*.
Yes, the backtick-comma is to downright hard-code it,
although it is code, and not a human, who do the
hard-coding...
> This makes a difference if the variable is changed
> after capturing. Considering the following example
> ...
>
> As you can see, changing "i" *after* creating the
> functions only affects the closure created by lexical
> binding. The function created by the backquote is
> left untouched.
Yes, that is clear, but this example shows (to me) the
difference between using hard-coded values and using
variables (in general).
That example looks all-fine to me. Are you saying, with
dynamic scope, the `i' in the lambda wouldn't have been
affected by the `setq'? But to me, your example is the
way it should be, natural... Why then, would you want
to use dynamic scope, and why is it the default?
--
underground experts united
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-20 19:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-15 13:47 run-with-timer does not display message Matthias Pfeifer
2014-07-15 13:53 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-07-18 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.5631.1405701027.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-18 21:34 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 15:09 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-19 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-19 17:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 18:04 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.5702.1405789759.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 20:06 ` Lexical and Dynamic Scope Robert Thorpe
2014-07-20 12:15 ` run-with-timer does not display message Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-21 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.5708.1405793578.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 19:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.5813.1405950328.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-24 8:25 ` Stefan Monnier
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2014-07-20 19:37 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2014-07-20 20:11 ` Drew Adams
2014-07-20 21:28 ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example (was: Re: run-with-timer does not display message) Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 4:44 ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-07-21 6:36 ` Thorsten Jolitz
[not found] ` <mailman.5796.1405924598.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 9:23 ` Michael Heerdegen
[not found] ` <mailman.5792.1405917701.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 13:36 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 17:07 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <mailman.5826.1405962249.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:11 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5805.1405934637.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:02 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5686.1405782584.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:49 ` run-with-timer does not display message Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5455.1405432451.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:35 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-07-15 14:34 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:18 ` jduthen
2014-07-15 15:20 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:40 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.5461.1405438875.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:52 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:57 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5463.1405440423.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 16:07 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-15 16:12 ` Joost Kremers
[not found] ` <mailman.5466.1405442248.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-16 1:12 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-17 10:03 ` Matthias Pfeifer
[not found] ` <<slrnlsakmh.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:37 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <<slrnlsaji8.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:06 ` Drew Adams
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