From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: gnus & nnmaildir Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:59:17 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87mwauly6y.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <20140731185408.GA29871@ken-HP-Mini-110-1000> <87k362dbrw.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408827624 29774 80.91.229.3 (23 Aug 2014 21:00:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:00:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 23 23:00:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XLIQ5-0000Kn-Nv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:00:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42227 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XLIQ5-0000fp-E5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:00:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 119 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: P0uMB9BthHuWo8+BJXB4Mw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:OTD/idKi2vCbGhPsbe+ljpk0JoQ= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:207097 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99374 Archived-At: lee writes: > Having these groups is one of the big advantages over > mutt. A big disadvantage is that nnml is understood > by gnus exclusively. In case you want/need to be able > to use different MUAs, maildir or imap work much > better for that. Gnus is good, and it is complicated, so if you invest time in understanding it to be helped by its power, I don't think there is reason to switch. Even so the nnml storage system is, well, as system. You could write a script to crunch those files to setup a new system, of coure. > There's also posting styles Yes, another useful feature though in my experience not as indispensible as splitting. > With mutt, I used an exim filter file. Gnus is rather > slow with splitting and sometimes with building a > summary buffer --- compared to mutt, which is really > fast. If you have a KILL file it can take a short time for several hundreds or more messages. I'm OK with that as I check the newsgroups and mail groups every day, so there are seldom that many messages. But even when there are it is fast, and besides it is a one-time delay. Not as in the unresponsiveness of every interactive command or the jitter of a bitstream - those are much more frustrating. > And you can read pretty much everything you want as > mail ... With mutt, I was using emacs as editor > anyway. Over the years, I kept looking from time to > time if there's anything better. There never was > until I tried gnus. Did you save the message buffers as files and fed them to mutt from the shell or did you automatize this somehow from Emacs? > Which font do you use? It looks good on the > screenshots. You bet. If you saw a font of the Linux console, it is Terminus. In /etc/default/console-setup: VERBOSE_OUTPUT="no" ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]" CHARMAP="UTF-8" CODESET="Lat7" FONTFACE="Terminus" FONTSIZE="28x14" SCREEN_WIDTH=72 SCREEN_HEIGHT=27 If you saw a font of X, in ~/.Xresources, I think it is xterm*faceName: xft:bitstram vera sans mono:size=15:antialias=true the reason I am unsure is that that dumps shows urxvt, not xterm, but I take it the same fonts works for both, and that I didn't change since switching from urxvt to xterm. > Or ding.gnus.org? gnu.emacs.gnus doesn't look like a > mailing list but like an uncategorized forum, and > there's no way to subscribe? No, it is a newsgroup, just like gnu.emacs.help, gnu.emacs.sources, alt.os.linux, etc. Maybe there is a hybrid solution for that just as there is for gnu.emacs.help (a listbot gate) but I don't know, it makes less sense as most Gnus users should prefer Usenet. > Emails are the most important and most convenient way > of communication to me. No doubt. > Outlook is unsuited to deal with more than perhaps a > handful of emails per day, if that. Besides, there > isn't any really good MUA for windoze. I didn't use Outlook for ages but I don't think I'd take to Thunderbird that much more. I want an all-text, no GUI, mouse-free, in-Emacs client. >> Tools, tools, tools... If you are in a beautiful, >> cool garden with the best shovel in the world, >> working on your digging skills, digging for ten >> hours straight is paradise. > > Only if you love to dig. No, that's the idea. If you love everything around an activity - the setting, the tools - you start to love the activity as well. At least I do. >> I don't know if I should bow because I am so >> grateful to Linux, Emacs, Gnus, and Usenet, *or* if >> I should pound myself on the chest for finding them, >> and nothing short of making them a part of me! Just >> unbelievable stuff. > > You can always make contributions. The problem is > that usually no one really cares. I think people care, it is just that don't share my taste, most often. Those who do, are usually themselves capable (haha). So it seems there isn't that huge a market for my skills. Or "skillz". Or M-A-N-N-Y :) -- underground experts united