* todo-did.el complete rewrite @ 2019-03-25 5:12 Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 6:57 ` Van L ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 5:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: emacs-devel Emacs/shell (here, zsh) interface to a TODO buffer. Very useful and fast. (`todo-show-file' ought to be bound to a key, e.g. I have it `C-j t'.) In the shell it is just $ todo sleep more, take less amphetamine (Note the lack of apostrophes/quotes!) The next time you do `C-j t' (or whatever you have it) it'll be there - sorted, and saved. Same if you do M-x todo RET fix all the bugs in todo-did.el RET Ain't it cool stuff? :) Please comment! The last couple of days I have posted tons of code (of various degrees of advancedness, this is probably the most advanced) - the last couple of days I have posted tons of code and not received a single comment :( Very disappointing is my honest sensation. PS. Check the date if you use the URL! Might get a cached version otherwise. DS. Aaanyway... ;; This file: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/todo-did.el ;; ;; Updated: 25-03-2019 05:53 ;; ;; zsh companion: ;; ;; set the TODO_FILE env in: ~/.zshenv ;; 'todo' command: ;; ~/.zsh/todo ;; http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/todo (defun todo-get-buffer () (let*((todo-env-var "TODO_FILE") (todo-file (getenv todo-env-var)) ) (if todo-file (or (get-file-buffer todo-file) (find-file-noselect todo-file) ) (error "Set the env var %s first" todo-env-var) ))) (defun todo-sort-and-save () (sort-lines nil ; not REVERSE (point-min) (point-max)) (save-buffer) ) (defun todo (what) (interactive "sdo what: ") (let ((todo-buffer (todo-get-buffer))) (with-current-buffer todo-buffer (goto-char (point-max)) (insert what) (todo-sort-and-save) ))) (defun todo-show-file () (interactive) (let ((todo-buffer (todo-get-buffer))) (set-buffer todo-buffer) ;; this if if the file doesn't exist ;; but the env is set correctly (save-buffer) ;; this is if the file ;; has changed from the shell (revert-buffer t t) ; IGNORE-AUTO NOCONFIRM (todo-sort-and-save) (switch-to-buffer todo-buffer) )) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 5:12 todo-did.el complete rewrite Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 6:57 ` Van L 2019-03-25 18:25 ` license and where to safely store all code (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 20:04 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Ralph Seichter ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-03-25 6:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > The last couple of days I have posted tons of > code (of various degrees of advancedness, this > is probably the most advanced) - the last > couple of days I have posted tons of code and > not received a single comment :( You've posted more than 15 LoC and not specified a licens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* license and where to safely store all code (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) 2019-03-25 6:57 ` Van L @ 2019-03-25 18:25 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 18:50 ` [OFF TOPIC] " Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Van L wrote: >> The last couple of days I have posted tons >> of code (of various degrees of advancedness, >> this is probably the most advanced) - the >> last couple of days I have posted tons of >> code and not received a single comment :( > > You've posted more than 15 LoC and not > specified a licens Is that where the shoe hurts? OK, so how does it work to add a license? Do you just type/yank it as a comment first thing in the source file? I have by now ~116 Elisp files! [1] A couple of them should probably be thrown away as they are either unaware-of duplicates of what is already in Emacs, or just plain bad ideas. And many are just configs with no originality/creativity to them - well, not in terms of the code anyway :) So it'll be a smaller number of files, for sure. Still, surely I don't have to put I license block in every single one of them? Is is enough with a LICENSE file in the same directory? As for me, the license might as well be "Here is a bunch of code, do whatever you want with it, but the author would very much appreciate comments (mails) on how to improve it or just a note if you found it useful." And speaking of files, anyone has a good idea where to dump all this Elisp? I don't know how long the university will allow my student (ha!) home page to remain untouched on their SunOS! BTW this is a general "problem" for me, I also have probably as much zsh, some other code [stats from 2015: 3], my home page... Where do you guys put all your stuff? [1] $ ls -1 ~/.emacs.d/emacs-init/**/*.el | wc -l 116 [2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/ [3] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/code.txt -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* [OFF TOPIC] Re: license and where to safely store all code (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) 2019-03-25 18:25 ` license and where to safely store all code (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 18:50 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > [3] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/code.txt BTW cloc(1) is now in the Debian (Raspbian) repos! I got it from the web [1] way back in 2015. Great to hear that such an indispensible tool has made its way to the elysium of computer source :) Time for a re-run, perhaps? CC to Al Danial who wrote it and Jari Aalto who wrote the man page. [1] http://cloc.sourceforge.net -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 5:12 todo-did.el complete rewrite Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 6:57 ` Van L @ 2019-03-25 20:04 ` Ralph Seichter 2019-03-26 0:07 ` where to put files (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 20:45 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Stefan Monnier ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-25 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs * Emanuel Berg: > the last couple of days I have posted tons of code and not received a > single comment :( Which can possibly tell you something. How about using GitLab, GitHub or a similar service instead? That would also be an easy method to deal with licensing issues you mentioned in another post. -Ralph ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* where to put files (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) 2019-03-25 20:04 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-26 0:07 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-26 0:53 ` where to put files Ralph Seichter 2019-03-26 8:36 ` Van L 0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-26 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Ralph Seichter wrote: >> the last couple of days I have posted tons >> of code and not received a single comment :( > > Which can possibly tell you something. If it isn't a secret, what does it tell *you*? > How about using GitLab, GitHub or a similar > service instead? That would also be an easy > method to deal with licensing issues you > mentioned in another post. Are those web-interface GUIs? If so, well first I don't really dig that, but practically speaking I actually *can't* use them at the present point because of 1) too slow computer for advanced, JavaScript web pages (an RPi3); and 2) a projector with a very limited resolution: #! /bin/zsh screen-resolution () { DISPLAY=":0" xrandr } $ screen-resolution Screen 0: minimum 576 x 416, current 576 x 416, maximum 576 x 416 default connected 576x416+0+0 0mm x 0mm 576x416 0.00* This is how I do it presently: #! /bin/zsh MLOGIN=XXX # -L --copy-links # -p --perms # -r --recursive # -t --times # -u --update ("skip files that are newer on the receiver") # -v --verbose mcp () { rsync -Lprtuv $@ $MLOGIN: } cos () { mcp ~/public_html } MLOGIN - ("M" for "MIC", my once university department) mcp - (ditto cp) cos - "cp OS" So what I do is create/edit files in my local ~/public_html all night, then do "cos" in the morning at bedtime so the stuff gets beamed to the SunOS, both as a backup but also so I'm able to reference the files in discussions here etc. OK, so now that you know my situation/style, is there a similar solution around? It doesn't have to be identical, of course! Only text/CLI-based, I guess. "TIA", I was about to write, but if you (or anyone else) can solve this for me, you are my HERO(S) :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: where to put files 2019-03-26 0:07 ` where to put files (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-26 0:53 ` Ralph Seichter 2019-03-26 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-26 17:15 ` Robert Thorpe 2019-03-26 8:36 ` Van L 1 sibling, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-26 0:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs * Emanuel Berg: > If it isn't a secret, what does it tell *you*? It tells me that what I learned over the last 30+ years is still valid today: When posting in a mailing list, never expect applause, feedback or gratitude. The best you can hope for is not to annoy too many people, unless that's your intended purpose. >> How about using GitLab, GitHub or a similar service instead? > > Are those web-interface GUIs? Git is available as a command line client, various graphical clients, and via web UIs. Find a sympathetic person with an Internet-capable computer and spend some time reading: https://git-scm.com https://gitlab.com > OK, so now that you know my situation/style, is there a similar > solution around? Git was developed (and is very much used today) to maintain the Linux Kernel sources in a secure, highly distributed manner, primarily from a shell and in scripts. The Emacs source code itself is held in a Git repository, see https://savannah.gnu.org/git/?group=emacs . So yes, Git can definitely handle your Emacs Lisp files. Have fun studying the documentation. ;-) -Ralph ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: where to put files 2019-03-26 0:53 ` where to put files Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-26 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-26 17:15 ` Robert Thorpe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-26 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Ralph Seichter wrote: >> If it isn't a secret, what does it tell >> *you*? > > It tells me that what I learned over the last > 30+ years is still valid today: When posting > in a mailing list, never expect applause, > feedback or gratitude. Oh, no! I've been doing that for 10+ years! Well, not really. I never expected applause, neither gratitude - well, gratitude perhaps in the sense "you are creative with the software, that's good, keep it up", but not gratitude in the sense "thanks for a bunch of great code, I'll start using it immediately myself!". Besides, I think my computer personality doesn't lend itself to that, either (at least not 2019, perhaps never). And I never thought my stuff was brilliant - creative perhaps, but not anything out of the ordinary in terms of the technology itself. But *feedback*? Why shouldn't one expect that on a mailing list/newsgroup about a particular piece of software, when the posts are exactly about that? > The best you can hope for is not to annoy too > many people, unless that's your > intended purpose. Obviously you are right but I don't understand it one byte or even bit. If 20 or so guys posted code here every second day or so, I would be *delighted* (and offer feedback wherever I could, even applause and gratitude for that matter if I liked their stuff that much I'd use it myself). > Git is available as a command line client, > various graphical clients, and via web UIs. > Find a sympathetic person with an > Internet-capable computer and spend some time > reading: > > https://git-scm.com > https://gitlab.com ? I have internet - I'm speaking to you right now! But if by "Internet-capable computer" you mean JavaScript etc and a monitor with some computer bum beside me on a couch watching some nerdy US TV show I'm sorry, never - if it can't be done all-Emacs-w3m or all-CLI (including the documentation) I have to recycle a new computer before I can do it... But thanks anyway, God willing it will happen. I have bookmarked those links :) > Have fun studying the documentation. ;-) If you think documentation will help you read it. You better at it. :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: where to put files 2019-03-26 0:53 ` where to put files Ralph Seichter 2019-03-26 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-26 17:15 ` Robert Thorpe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Robert Thorpe @ 2019-03-26 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ralph Seichter; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs > Have fun studying the documentation. ;-) > > -Ralph You're an evil, evil man. BR, Robert Thorpe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: where to put files 2019-03-26 0:07 ` where to put files (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg 2019-03-26 0:53 ` where to put files Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-26 8:36 ` Van L 1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-03-26 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg writes: > > $ screen-resolution > Screen 0: minimum 576 x 416, current 576 x 416, maximum 576 x 416 > default connected 576x416+0+0 0mm x 0mm > 576x416 0.00* > >8-- [snip] > > OK, so now that you know my situation/style, is > there a similar solution around? It doesn't > have to be identical, of course! > Only text/CLI-based, I guess. Can sdf.org meet your needs? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 5:12 todo-did.el complete rewrite Emanuel Berg 2019-03-25 6:57 ` Van L 2019-03-25 20:04 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Ralph Seichter @ 2019-03-25 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier 2019-03-25 23:41 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-26 17:35 ` Stefan Monnier 2019-03-27 1:42 ` Amin Bandali 4 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-25 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > (or (get-file-buffer todo-file) > (find-file-noselect todo-file) ) AKA just (find-file-noselect todo-file) Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 20:45 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-25 23:41 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-25 23:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (or (get-file-buffer todo-file) >> (find-file-noselect todo-file) ) > > AKA just (find-file-noselect todo-file) Thank you :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 5:12 todo-did.el complete rewrite Emanuel Berg ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2019-03-25 20:45 ` todo-did.el complete rewrite Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-26 17:35 ` Stefan Monnier 2019-03-27 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-27 1:42 ` Amin Bandali 4 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-26 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > (defun todo-show-file () > (interactive) > (let ((todo-buffer (todo-get-buffer))) > (set-buffer todo-buffer) > > ;; this if if the file doesn't exist > ;; but the env is set correctly > (save-buffer) > > ;; this is if the file > ;; has changed from the shell > (revert-buffer t t) ; IGNORE-AUTO NOCONFIRM > (todo-sort-and-save) > > (switch-to-buffer todo-buffer) > )) Have you considered using todo-mode or org-mode for the buffer into which you add those entries? Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-26 17:35 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-27 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-27 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (defun todo-show-file () [...] > > Have you considered using todo-mode or > org-mode for the buffer into which you add > those entries? No, as wasn't aware of them (or, I was aware of org-mode in general, but not that it had a todo list). Anyway that function is no good. I have made some changes: ;; This file: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/todo-did.el ;; ;; Updated: 27-03-2019 01:34 ;; ;; zsh companion: ;; ;; set the TODO_FILE env in: ~/.zshenv ;; 'todo' command: ;; ~/.zsh/todo ;; http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/todo (defun todo-get-buffer () (let*((todo-env-var "TODO_FILE") (todo-file (getenv todo-env-var)) (todo-buffer (if todo-file (find-file-noselect todo-file t) ; NOWARN (error "Set the env var %s first" todo-env-var) ))) (with-current-buffer todo-buffer (revert-buffer t t)) ; IGNORE-AUTO NOCONFIRM todo-buffer) ) (defun todo-sort-and-save () (sort-lines nil ; not REVERSE (point-min) (point-max)) (save-buffer) ) (defun todo (what) (interactive "sdo what: ") (let ((todo-buffer (todo-get-buffer))) (with-current-buffer todo-buffer (goto-char (point-max)) (insert what) (todo-sort-and-save) ))) (defun todo-show-file () (interactive) (let ((todo-buffer (todo-get-buffer))) (switch-to-buffer todo-buffer) (todo-sort-and-save) )) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite 2019-03-25 5:12 todo-did.el complete rewrite Emanuel Berg ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2019-03-26 17:35 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2019-03-27 1:42 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-27 13:12 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg 4 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-27 1:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Hi, > Ain't it cool stuff? :) Please comment! I think it’s neat, kudos :) > > The last couple of days I have posted tons of code (of various degrees > of advancedness, this is probably the most advanced) - the last couple > of days I have posted tons of code and not received a single comment > :( Very disappointing is my honest sensation. > Sorry to hear you’re feeling disappointed. I’ve personally saved links to several of your scripts posted here over the course of time, and I plan to have a closer look at them in the near future. I guess there could be multiple reasons for lack of comments, namely - Considering the “name” of this list (help-gnu-emacs), I wonder if most users think of it as a mostly ‘help’-oriented list rather than a more general-purpose list as the list description perhaps hints at: “Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor”. - People are likely quite busy, including myself, and may not currently have enough time on their hands to quickly and thoroughly read new posts to the list and reply. - License is a valid concern as raised by others in the thread. In the spirit of GNU Emacs, I’d recommend the GPLv3+, but you can of course choose other free software licenses as well. To license your file(s) under GPLv3+, you 1. add a license header to each of your files (example [0]), and 2. add a file named COPYING or LICENSE with the full text of the license (see [1] below) to the root directory of your project. [0]: https://git.sr.ht/~bandali/dotfiles/tree/891c482a8f41de3002a361efce155ab0b0704a79/init.org#L108-121 [1]: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt Lastly, as to where you could host your elisp files, as someone else mentioned, sdf.org is a good choice, which provides free (gratis) shell accounts with a limited storage 20 MB which can be upgraded to 150 MB for a one-time $36 fee. See [2,3] for more info. [2]: https://sdf.org/?faq?MEMBERS?01 [3]: https://sdf.org/?faq?WEB?01 A better option for hosting source code may be using a source revision control system. Git is a popular choice these days. There are a number of freedom-respecting software forges for hosting your git repositories, such as GNU’s own Savannah [4], sourcehut [5], and NotABug [6]. If you decide to use git, Magit [7] is a wonderful piece of software for doing everything git-related from inside Emacs. [4]: https://savannah.gnu.org [5]: https://sourcehut.org [6]: https://notabug.org [7]: https://magit.vc Cheers, -- Amin Bandali https://aminb.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) 2019-03-27 1:42 ` Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-27 13:12 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-27 13:40 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" Michael Albinus 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali 0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-27 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Cc: Henk Pelgrom, Ingemar Holmgren, Greger Eriksson, Kiki Alfredsson Amin Bandali wrote: >> Ain't it cool stuff? :) Please comment! > > I think it’s neat, kudos :) [...] Thanks not only for the kind words but especially the hints and URLs what do do. I only have one more question, but first - IIUC it seems my TODO list is as follows: 1. Dump the files at sdf.org so I don't have to worry about loosing 10+ very pleasant years of work and my very own Emacs and zsh Linux VT system 2. Physically clone the SD card with the system so I dare upgrade it 3. Get the latest Emacs in the Debian and/or Raspbian repos and get all the source to work for that version *gulp* 4. Get the license stuff done and move everything to Git 5. (Hasn't been mentioned, but) isolate a dozen or so stand-alone projects that I believe in the most and put them on MELPA Sounds good? Now for the question. If code and projects aren't announced on listbots/newsgroups, how will people know about them? This is not just a question of my projects, but also the other way around - how will *I* know what *other* people do? Can't we have an ENE (the "Emacs News Ezine") where an editor compiles a list with short comments on the most recent and interesting stuff? PS. Obviously I'm not going to back down from my own suggestion, so I volunteer as assistant editor. I would volunteer as the main editor but I think I'm the least suited person for such a job because I only know what goes on on my own computer and workshop - and sometimes, actually, not even that :)) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 13:12 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-27 13:40 ` Michael Albinus 2019-03-29 9:16 ` Marcin Borkowski 2019-04-01 22:07 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali 1 sibling, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2019-03-27 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: Hi Emanuel, > Can't we have an ENE (the "Emacs News Ezine") > where an editor compiles a list with short > comments on the most recent and > interesting stuff? That exists already: the weekly "Emacs news" by Sacha Chua. See for example <nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.tangents>. No comments, but a very useful list of Emacs related links. Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 13:40 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" Michael Albinus @ 2019-03-29 9:16 ` Marcin Borkowski 2019-03-29 12:49 ` Óscar Fuentes 2019-04-01 22:07 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2019-03-29 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, Sacha Chua On 2019-03-27, at 14:40, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote: > Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > > Hi Emanuel, > >> Can't we have an ENE (the "Emacs News Ezine") >> where an editor compiles a list with short >> comments on the most recent and >> interesting stuff? > > That exists already: the weekly "Emacs news" by Sacha Chua. See for > example <nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.tangents>. > > No comments, but a very useful list of Emacs related links. I second that. Sacha, I guess I never thanked you for Emacs news! They are an important part of my weekly feed (especially that I don't have a Reddit account, and I don't look there without being given a link.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 9:16 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2019-03-29 12:49 ` Óscar Fuentes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2019-03-29 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sacha Chua; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Marcin Borkowski <mbork@amu.edu.pl> writes: > I second that. Sacha, I guess I never thanked you for Emacs news! They > are an important part of my weekly feed (especially that I don't have > a Reddit account, and I don't look there without being given a link.) My words exactly. Thank you Sacha. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 13:40 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" Michael Albinus 2019-03-29 9:16 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2019-04-01 22:07 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-01 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Michael Albinus wrote: > That exists already: the weekly "Emacs news" > by Sacha Chua. See for example > <nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.tangents>. OK, thank you, I'm now subscribed! Interesting notation BTW. Is is something one should use? Nah, I think gmane.emacs.tangents is enough... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 13:12 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" (was: Re: todo-did.el complete rewrite) Emanuel Berg 2019-03-27 13:40 ` what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" Michael Albinus @ 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-28 0:05 ` Van L ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-27 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: Sacha Chua On 2019-03-27 2:12 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: [...] > > Thanks not only for the kind words but > especially the hints and URLs what do do. > I only have one more question, but first - > You’re very welcome. > > IIUC it seems my TODO list is as follows: > [...] > Sounds good? > Sounds good to me. Though, in conjunction with MELPA, you might want to consider making them available on GNU ELPA as well. > > Now for the question. If code and projects > aren't announced on listbots/newsgroups, how > will people know about them? > > This is not just a question of my projects, but > also the other way around - how will *I* know > what *other* people do? > Yeah, that’s a bit of a tough one. There are a few ad hoc solutions like Planet Emacsen [0] and Sacha Chua’s weekly-compiled Emacs News [1], but there’s no ultimate silver bullet. Sacha’s weekly Emacs News is a manually curated list of most recent and interesting stuff from all over, but usually doesn’t include much in the way of commentary. [0]: http://planet.emacslife.com [1]: http://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs-news/ > > Can't we have an ENE (the "Emacs News Ezine") > where an editor compiles a list with short > comments on the most recent and > interesting stuff? > > > PS. Obviously I'm not going to back down from > my own suggestion, so I volunteer as > assistant editor. I would volunteer as the > main editor but I think I'm the least > suited person for such a job because I only > know what goes on on my own computer and > workshop - and sometimes, actually, not > even that :)) > Actually, looking at [2], I just discovered the emacs-tangents list [3], available on gmane as gmane.emacs.tangents, which seems like Sacha posts her weekly news there too. Though it’s mostly been only Sacha posting there for a while, it seems like anyone from the public can post there? I think it could be a nice place for you and anyone else interested to participate in, and to announce and discuss projects. As for volunteering for the compilation, Sacha probably wouldn’t mind some extra help with her weekly news either :) [2]: https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=emacs [3]: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-tangents I think it may be worth mentioning emacs-tangents on one of the larger lists like emacs-devel every now and again, to help spread the word and make sure people know about it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-28 0:05 ` Van L 2019-03-29 1:38 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-29 5:27 ` Sacha Chua 2019-04-01 13:07 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-03-28 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Amin Bandali <bandali@gnu.org> writes: > I think it could be a nice place for you and anyone else interested to > participate in, and to announce and discuss projects. It could be done quarterly [1] covering a beat on the art history of intellectual abstractions behind source code ideas and their implications. [1] https://store.laphamsquarterly.us/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-28 0:05 ` Van L @ 2019-03-29 1:38 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-29 6:27 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-29 1:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On 2019-03-28 11:05 AM, Van L wrote: [...] > > It could be done quarterly [1] covering a beat on the art history of > intellectual abstractions behind source code ideas and their implications. > > [1] https://store.laphamsquarterly.us/ > > If you’re suggesting we make quarterly compilations (digests) of projects etc announced on the list, then sure that’s one possibility. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 1:38 ` Amin Bandali @ 2019-03-29 6:27 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-27 14:58 ` Van L 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-03-29 6:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Amin Bandali wrote: > If you’re suggesting we make quarterly > compilations (digests) of projects etc > announced on the list, then sure that’s > one possibility. If we exclude the development and distribution of Emacs itself (including ELPA) - better leave that to the pros for now - how would a map of the Emacs World look like? There are all the mailing lists/newsgroups. Some are general (e.g. help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org/gmane.emacs.help [1]), some are specific (erc-discuss@gnu.org/gmane.emacs.erc.general [2]). There are tons of them [3] so to filter out the the nuggets in a systematic way is from what I can tell right now virtually impossible - it would be a "best effort" policy, rather... Then there is the EmacsWiki. [3] Then there is the Emacs SX site. [4] Then there is the MELPA. [5] Then there are some things (?) going on at Reddit. [6] Then there are blogs (?) and apparently a weekly newsletter (?) which I know nothing about, which is remarkable after doing Emacs virtually every day for 10+ years. THEN there are the Emacs subset of IRC, namely the channels on freenode, of which #emacs is the most important, I take it. [7] So there is material for an "Emacs Quarterly", no doubt... It doesn't have to be that much work, mostly lurking, a trained and experienced eye, and then the familiar kill/yank. Still, it will be work, no doubt. If it happened tho, it'd be great :) [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs [2] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/erc-discuss [3] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html [3] https://www.emacswiki.org [4] http://emacs.stackexchange.com [5] https://melpa.org [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs [7] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsChannel -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 6:27 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-27 14:58 ` Van L 2019-04-27 21:09 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-04-27 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > So there is material for an "Emacs Quarterly", > no doubt... It doesn't have to be that much > work, mostly lurking, a trained and experienced > eye, and then the familiar kill/yank. Still, it > will be work, no doubt. If it happened tho, > it'd be great :) Nipsey Hussle was running Vector90 lab. Eboni K Williams could take his place as community ambassador, connect world youth talent, for example what is going on over at (1), continue running Vector90 lab which could be tasked with what is being discussed in this thread and offer an on-ramp to the GNU Emacs project. She is a trained lawyer and could be an FSF champion of the cause of freedom. (2) (1) https://youtu.be/Ojopo3nGuKI (2) https://youtu.be/sHCXGzSjIeg -- © 2019 Van L gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 "The quotes are in the book." - Robert Caro ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-27 14:58 ` Van L @ 2019-04-27 21:09 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-27 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Van L wrote: > Nipsey Hussle was running Vector90 lab. > Eboni K Williams could take his place as > community ambassador, connect world youth > talent, for example what is going on over at > (1), continue running Vector90 lab which > could be tasked with what is being discussed > in this thread and offer an on-ramp to the > GNU Emacs project. She is a trained lawyer > and could be an FSF champion of the cause of > freedom. (2) Even tho you made that crystal clear I think I'll abstain, thank you. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-28 0:05 ` Van L @ 2019-03-29 5:27 ` Sacha Chua 2019-03-29 14:44 ` Drew Adams 2019-04-04 3:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-01 13:07 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Sacha Chua @ 2019-03-29 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs, Sacha Chua Hello, Emanuel, Amin, all! On Wed., Mar. 27, 2019, 10:40 Amin Bandali, <bandali@gnu.org> wrote: > Now for the question. If code and projects aren't announced on > listbots/newsgroups, how will people know about them? > > This is not just a question of my projects, but also the other way > around - how will *I* know what *other* people do? > Yeah, that’s a bit of a tough one. There are a few ad hoc solutions > like Planet Emacsen [0] and Sacha Chua’s weekly-compiled Emacs News [1], > From what I've seen, it seems like discovery works mostly like this: - Many people stumble across relevant code/posts by searching, if they happen to think with the same keywords that the authors did - Many people ask questions on reddit.com/r/emacs, emacs.stackexchange.com, irc.freenode.net (#emacs), and mailing lists - Many people read Planet Emacsen or their own collection of Emacs-related feeds - A number of people help "glue" the community together by responding to people's questions and pointing them to either links or better keywords to search for, or commenting on people's posts with suggestions or appreciation. - Quite a few people stumble across stuff while watching videos or looking at screenshots focusing on something else. This is where we get questions like "What's the modeline used in this video?" - When people find people who think like they do (similar workflow or areas of interest), they like exploring those people's other contributions. This is where blogs and public source code repositories like Github help a lot. - Some people actively look for interesting new things in the firehose (Twitter, Google searches, lots of blog subscriptions outside Planet Emacsen) and post links to them to aggregators or wikis (irreal.org, reddit.com/r/emacs, reddit.com/r/planetemacs, awesome-emacs, EmacsWiki) - A few automated sources help too (new packages, changes to the NEWS files, etc). - General discussions and meetups are great too. Thanks for posting lots of little code snippets. I wonder if having your own blog would make it easier for people who like one thing of yours to discover other things of yours. I also see people respond positively to posts or links on Reddit that start off describing the problem/motivation and then share a snippet of code or announce a package. Since people use different keywords to find things, you might think about how other people would describe that problem too. Screenshots, animated GIFs, workflow posts, and videos are handy as well. Also, people often come across posts years later, so it's good to not expect immediate appreciation. =) I like sharing my little hacks because writing helps me understand and remember things better (especially months or years later), and if anyone actually finds things useful, that's a pleasant surprise. Other people are more deliberate about sharing, and invest time in packaging things up and writing about them so that they'll be more useful to more people. You'll find your sweet spot. > suited person for such a job because I only know what goes on on my own > computer and workshop - and sometimes, actually, not even that :)) > You are already totally qualified to write about the resources you find, what you think about them, how you've been applying them to your own workflows, what you're curious about next, and so on. =) We're all building maps through this huge space of possibilities, and every person's map adds something useful. Actually, looking at [2], I just discovered the emacs-tangents list [3], > available on gmane as gmane.emacs.tangents, which seems like Sacha posts > her weekly news there too. Though it’s mostly been only Sacha posting > there for a while, it seems like anyone from the public can post there? > Yup, that's open. It's for anything that's Emacs-related but off-topic on the other lists. Most people reading it are probably used to just seeing Emacs News, but it's okay to shift that expectation and have a more vibrant community. People who want just Emacs News in mail form can get it from my site, so that's okay. > As for volunteering for the compilation, Sacha probably wouldn’t mind > some extra help with her weekly news either :) > I'm always happy to have awesome things to link to, so you can help out a lot by contributing links or even making posts I can then link to. =) Sometimes people e-mail or tweet me stuff, although I generally like putting the links on something like reddit.com/r/emacs or /r/planetemacs so that there's an avenue for discussion (and then I can link to the discussion as well). Emacs News is a bit on the long but terse side because I try to include most things I come across, relying on titles and categories to help people manage information overload. I think it would be pretty neat if someone went through, say, emacs-devel and highlighted interesting threads a la Linux Weekly News, or maybe did a longer-term overview of news in a particular category - maybe even more specific than the ones I have in the posts. I just updated my Github repo with the emacs-news Org file: https://github.com/sachac/emacs-news . There's a my/emacs-news-collect-entries in my sachachua.com/dotemacs that might be able to reorganize links, although the categories are pretty coarse-grained at the moment. I'd love to see other people's takes on Emacs News! Sacha ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* RE: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 5:27 ` Sacha Chua @ 2019-03-29 14:44 ` Drew Adams 2019-04-01 22:11 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-04 4:18 ` Xavier Maillard 2019-04-04 3:31 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2019-03-29 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sacha Chua, help-gnu-emacs Wrt posting information, tutorials, articles, ~blog content, snippets, code,... whatever about Emacs and Lisp: Emacs Wiki is yet another Emacs-community space. Anyone can post such stuff on Emacs Wiki (duh, it's a wiki). And anyone can update or otherwise modify info that's there. Editing content there doesn't use Markdown, but the markup is pretty simple and well documented. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 14:44 ` Drew Adams @ 2019-04-01 22:11 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-26 7:04 ` Van L 2019-04-04 4:18 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-01 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Drew Adams wrote: > Wrt posting information, tutorials, articles, > ~blog content, snippets, code,... whatever > about Emacs and Lisp: > > Emacs Wiki is yet another > Emacs-community space. > > Anyone can post such stuff on Emacs Wiki > (duh, it's a wiki). And anyone can update or > otherwise modify info that's there. > > Editing content there doesn't use Markdown, > but the markup is pretty simple and > well documented. Wikis are great at collecting information in a systematic way but not really propagating it. If you want to know about something, it is good that it's there, but who reads a wiki from cover to cover in search of something interesting? Not me, anyway. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-01 22:11 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-26 7:04 ` Van L 2019-04-26 7:39 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-26 7:47 ` tomas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-04-26 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > If you want to know about something, it is good > that it's there, but who reads a wiki from > cover to cover in search of something > interesting? Not me, anyway. As told in his interview with Joe Rogan, the way Jorge Masvidal learns new techniques is to concentrate exclusively, at most, on two in a training session and drill them until they become reflexive muscle memory. You can do a regular `git fetch ; git pull' on the emacs repo to see something like... Updating 1828e9a9b7..8082291773 Fast-forward Makefile.in | 2 +- build-aux/config.sub | 5 +- configure.ac | 52 +++-- doc/lispref/internals.texi | 104 +++++++++ etc/NEWS | 24 +- lib-src/Makefile.in | 6 +- lib-src/emacsclient.c | 2 +- and treat them like useless or discarded objects from modernday China or Sewol Asiana Airlines Flight 214 Lion Air Flight 610 Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 but treat two like the Antikythera mechanism [1] for learning focus. And pace out 10-minutes each day to draw a poster of the workings of Emacs's core and modules using [2..5]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism [2] Evolution of Emacs Lisp by Monnier & Sperber [3] The Development of the C Language by Ritchie [4] JPL Institutional Coding Standard for the C Programming Language [5] Land of Lisp [ https://nostarch.com/lisp.htm ] -- © 2019 Van L gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 "The quotes are in the book." - Robert Caro ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-26 7:04 ` Van L @ 2019-04-26 7:39 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-27 13:07 ` Van L 2019-04-26 7:47 ` tomas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-26 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Van L wrote: > As told in his interview with Joe Rogan, the > way Jorge Masvidal learns new techniques is > to concentrate exclusively, at most, on two > in a training session and drill them until > they become reflexive muscle memory. [...] > but treat two like the Antikythera mechanism > [1] for learning focus. To you, I don't seem strong enough on reflexive muscle memory and learning focus? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-26 7:39 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-27 13:07 ` Van L 2019-04-27 21:07 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-04-27 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > To you, I don't seem strong enough on reflexive > muscle memory and learning focus? The sense you give from how you've accumulated a useful emacs24lisp codelibrary is that you are a messy and not a neat personality type. -- © 2019 Van L gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 "The quotes are in the book." - Robert Caro ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-27 13:07 ` Van L @ 2019-04-27 21:07 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-27 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Van L wrote: >> To you, I don't seem strong enough on >> reflexive muscle memory and learning focus? > > The sense you give from how you've > accumulated a useful emacs24lisp codelibrary > is that you are a messy and not a neat > personality type. ? So do tell, what's the correct way to "accumulate useful code libraries"? BTW I'm now on Emacs 25 [1]. The transition was all but seamless with the new system version [2]. I like the repository approach much better than compiling a bunch of stuff manually, even tho that is very easy, at least for Emacs. Actually one can get a more recent version of Emacs (or whatever is in the repos) with atp-get/aptitude as well, for specific targets, with so-called apt pinning [3]. Here is an example how to do it for w3m-el-snapshot: 1) add 'testing' to /etc/apt/sources.list, in my case deb [arch=armhf] http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ testing main contrib non-free rpi 2) then in /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: -10 Package: w3m-el-snapshot Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 800 3) update and install/upgrade with apt-get/aptitude [1] GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2017-09-16, modified by Debian [2] Linux raspberrypi 4.9.35-v7+ #1014 SMP Fri Jun 30 14:47:43 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Raspbian Description: Raspbian GNU/Linux 9.8 (stretch) Release: 9.8 Codename: stretch Revision : a02082 PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)" NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux" VERSION_ID="9" VERSION="9 (stretch)" ID=raspbian ID_LIKE=debian HOME_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/" SUPPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianForums" BUG_REPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs" [3] https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-26 7:04 ` Van L 2019-04-26 7:39 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-26 7:47 ` tomas 2019-04-27 21:10 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: tomas @ 2019-04-26 7:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 202 bytes --] On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 05:04:56PM +1000, Van L wrote: [...] > [2] Evolution of Emacs Lisp by Monnier & Sperber Woah. Thank you for totally destroying my work plan today. Cheers -- tomás [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-26 7:47 ` tomas @ 2019-04-27 21:10 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-29 3:32 ` Van L 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-27 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs tomas wrote: >> [2] Evolution of Emacs Lisp by Monnier & >> Sperber > > Woah. Thank you for totally destroying my > work plan today. Ain't it the truth :) Altho I don't have work plans, really. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-27 21:10 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-29 3:32 ` Van L 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-04-29 3:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: >>> [2] Evolution of Emacs Lisp by Monnier & >>> Sperber > > Ain't it the truth :) Altho I don't have work > plans, really. IIRC after reading it it used to be a 2x performance gain wasn't good enough, now 3% is. -- © 2019 Van L gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 "There are 3 ways to learn: by reflection, which is noblest; by imitation, which is easiest; and by experience, which is the bitterest." - Confucius ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 14:44 ` Drew Adams 2019-04-01 22:11 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-04 4:18 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2019-04-04 4:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, sacha Hi, I second that. EW has always been my main GNU emacs inspiration's source. In the past, I used to contribute there directly from an emacs buffer. I find the user dispersion in proprietary systems a huge mistake and a great loss of time for every user. -- Xavier Maillard e/j:xavier@maillard.im w:www.maillard.im m: 06 52 18 63 43 (old) m: 06 49 60 48 56 (NEW) GPG: 9983 DCA1 1FAC 8DA7 653A F9AA BA49 09B7 8F04 DE1B ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-29 5:27 ` Sacha Chua 2019-03-29 14:44 ` Drew Adams @ 2019-04-04 3:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-17 0:39 ` Sacha Chua 1 sibling, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-04 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Sacha Chua wrote: > You'll find your sweet spot. The plan is to make 10 or so packs for MELPA and leave it at that. I'm not a wiki or blog person and apparently people in general (for some bizarre reason) aren't fond of me (or other people for that matter) posting source on mailing lists/newsgroups. So hopefully MELPA is a good, final destination for, again, hopefully the best subset of all my Elisp. > You are already totally qualified to write > about the resources you find ... but I never find any. You OTOH seem to find a lot! How about making an "editor's pick" parallel edition to your newsletter, where you don't bombard us with links like the demolition of Dresden, but instead pick 10 or so things that really caught your attention, and write a paragraph or two what they are and what it is you think is the most appealing thing(s) about them? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-04 3:31 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-17 0:39 ` Sacha Chua 2019-04-17 1:53 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Sacha Chua @ 2019-04-17 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: Hello, Emanuel! > mailing lists/newsgroups. So hopefully MELPA is > a good, final destination for, again, hopefully > the best subset of all my Elisp. MELPA makes it really easy for other people to try out your code, and people often discover things by searching through the package descriptions. I pick up new MELPA packages semi-reliably in Emacs News, assuming my code doesn't have a hiccup. > instead pick 10 or so things that really caught > your attention, and write a paragraph or two > what they are and what it is you think is the > most appealing thing(s) about them? If you're looking for that sort of stuff, the blog posts at irreal.org come with a bit more commentary. I'd love to get back into writing more detailed Emacs posts myself - maybe when A- starts going to school next year. At the moment, I can squeeze in just enough time to filter, categorize, and trim the links that come in via Reddit and other places. =) If you or anyone else would like to try making a summary like that, I'd love to link to it! Sacha ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-17 0:39 ` Sacha Chua @ 2019-04-17 1:53 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-04-17 11:02 ` Van L 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-17 1:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Sacha Chua wrote: > If you're looking for that sort of stuff, the > blog posts at irreal.org come with a bit more > commentary. I'd love to get back into writing > more detailed Emacs posts myself - maybe when > A- starts going to school next year. At the > moment, I can squeeze in just enough time to > filter, categorize, and trim the links that > come in via Reddit and other places. =) If > you or anyone else would like to try making > a summary like that, I'd love to link to it! 1) I understand, and 2) again, I'm the worst person in the whole wide (?) Emacs world for such a task as I almost never use other people's stuff. I have the MELPA pack for Google Translate installed, that is about it. Even for that I did lots of stuff [1] of my own. I'm not saying this is a good thing to do it. It is just the way it happened to happen. [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/translate.el -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-17 1:53 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-17 11:02 ` Van L 2019-04-17 19:07 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 43+ messages in thread From: Van L @ 2019-04-17 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg writes: > I'm not saying this is a good thing to do it. > It is just the way it happened to happen. What about a podcast as the medium? with stylistic ideas and inspiration drawing from - Aviation Week's Check 6 Podcast - AI with AI - Darknet Diaries - Believe You Me with Michael Bisping [1] [1] episode 127. 30 Seconds of Creativity cat6 cabling for better line quality than wifi is proposed -- © 2019 Van L gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 "Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists" - Donald Trump ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-04-17 11:02 ` Van L @ 2019-04-17 19:07 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-17 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Van L wrote: >> I'm not saying this is a good thing to do >> it. It is just the way it happened >> to happen. > > What about a podcast as the medium? > with stylistic ideas and inspiration drawing > from > > - Aviation Week's Check 6 Podcast > - AI with AI > - Darknet Diaries > - Believe You Me with Michael Bisping Yes, with Jean-Paul Sartre writing the ToC and Pablo Picasso doing the ASCII art (using *all* of the 16 ANSI colors, which are mandatory, don't listen to Mr. Monnier's color liberalism [1]). [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-04/msg00141.html -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
* Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" 2019-03-27 14:40 ` Amin Bandali 2019-03-28 0:05 ` Van L 2019-03-29 5:27 ` Sacha Chua @ 2019-04-01 13:07 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 0 replies; 43+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-04-01 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Amin Bandali wrote: >> Sounds good? >> > > Sounds good to me. I think I did it! Greetings from Emacs25. Or GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf) of 2017-09-16, modified by Debian This is how it happened [Emacs stuff is point 3] 1. Physically clone the RPi system (on a 16G SD card), and give it more space. [remove the 16G SD card from the RPi] $ fdisk -l $ sudo dd bs=4M if=/dev/sdb of=backup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).img [change the SD card to the 32G card] $ fdisk -l $ sudo dd bs=4M if=backup-2019-04-01.img of=/dev/sdb [insert the 32G card into the RPi] $ sudo raspi-config 2. Upgrade the system [1] $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get upgrade $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade $ sudo dpkg -C $ sudo apt-mark showhold ## (I did this manually) $ sudo sed -i 's/jessie/stretch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get --simulate upgrade $ sudo apt-get upgrade $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade $ sudo reboot Worked great, only lots of this ## debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.) ## debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline And lots of ~"You have been messing around with file one hundred hundredth. Would you like to keep your changes?" Of course I do, but I'd still had to hit the button every time. Perhaps there is some option somewhere to set the default answer? It is a good idea to find it first, so you can just lie down and rest all thru the installation... zzz 3. Get Emacs25. $ sudo apt apt --fix-broken install $ sudo ai emacs25-nox emacs-25-el emacs25-common-non-dfsg # sudo apt autoremove Then my usual Makefile [2] and incredibly, I only got In help-custom-font-lock: help-font-lock.el:23:30:Warning: ‘font-lock-fontify-buffer’ is for interactive use only; use ‘font-lock-ensure’ or ‘font-lock-flush’ instead. Not really any clarity what to use, so I picked `font-lock-ensure'. Then In end of data: negative-subtraction.el:19:1:Warning: the function ‘digit-char-p’ is not known to be defined. This was more difficult to find - it should have the CL prefix, i.e. `cl-digit-char-p'. And the easy ones In spell: spell-new.el:79:23:Warning: ispell-comments-and-strings called with 1 argument, but accepts only 0 In sudo-path: sudo-user-path.el:2:33:Warning: ‘system-name’ is an obsolete variable (as of 25.1); use (system-name) instead In translate-with-prompt: translate.el:29:20:Warning: Pattern t is deprecated. Use `_' instead Done! I hope... [1] https://linuxconfig.org/raspbian-gnu-linux-upgrade-from-jessie-to-raspbian-stretch-9 [2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/Makefile -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 43+ messages in thread
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