From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why use CTL-x CTL-c to quit instead of CTL-x CTL-q? Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtube966.fsf@posteo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39525"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs , Hongyi Zhao To: Skip Montanaro Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 17:16:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lTnRC-000AB5-CU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:16:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35000 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTnRB-0005Ix-BN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:16:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTnQb-0005Bv-6G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:15:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:43727) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTnQV-0004f5-O0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 339FC2400FD for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:15:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1617722132; bh=KRZyi5oUbrSFNE/0wGugkr+YU6zxQPxN0NjnUqsBHEc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=c9W2dbdoddaJFUeygcrKDz76UQeg8Qlz51mDvh+CzSWTstlrbWwz3t7e6ol6D51Dd aUUvoA9Z0PDL13qh/Zz9IKyWNR44NssIxalYNAinpQq/9MgbjlHhfS8Po2bYsZ4Avq Y8kIRPpKdPGT/J5NYyRcBp9/xiH2tCcPqgylVfN0KD5xQF1PPIDM7h6/QBWCz/zRly +07L3huqCFoymKjtlvnS9dHOQaE7bx1WigrDOp01ES3WgOfaXbxhtcfSpGWewxEWkH 0llrW7mLIdTbJ3/UYjdpz6tNFjG53YXl8SfvB5xyeBZfLTVpztpJE4PTj4Wb/HPcPc wfMdxrNtsNTZQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FFB0y5cgrz6tmV; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:15:30 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Skip Montanaro's message of "Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:34:58 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128862 Archived-At: Skip Montanaro writes: > P.S. Do vi/vim users wonder why its key bindings don't correspond more > strongly to common Windows, Mac or Unix/Linux interface standards? I > rarely need to use vim, but if they changed the quit command (:q or > :q!) I'd be completely lost. How would I ever get back to the shell > prompt? Oh, right, C-z followed by kill(1). I don't think so, as vi(m) is culturally more about the keys than the software. People use vi(m) for vi(m), while many use Emacs for {org, magit, whatever} and find Emacs to be an obstacle. Or that is at least how I make sense of it. -- Philip K.