From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ange-ftp and sftp? Date: 13 Jun 2005 11:17:11 +0100 Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K. Message-ID: <87ll5e36jc.fsf@rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk> References: <87u0kblbau.fsf@rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118660900 18928 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 11:08:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 13:08:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dhmnb-0001g7-3G for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:08:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhmsK-0007M1-8G for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:13:05 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.kamp.net!83.128.0.11.MISMATCH!news-out1.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!bandi.nntp.kabelfoon.nl!195.40.0.165.MISMATCH!easynet-monga!easynet.net!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!130.88.203.18.MISMATCH!peernews.mcc.ac.uk!cs.man.ac.uk!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk Original-X-Trace: wapping.cs.man.ac.uk 1118657831 8812 130.88.198.228 (13 Jun 2005 10:17:11 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@wapping.cs.man.ac.uk Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:17:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:131975 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:27445 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:27445 >>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader writes: Miles> Phillip Lord writes: >> It would probably be easier just to use tramp instead. I don't >> know if it will do sftp, but I do know that it can tunnel >> directly through ssh. I use this all the time. >> >> I suspect that you have never tried tramp. It's a fine package! Miles> There was some discussion of this before, and the conclusion Miles> reached was just the opposite. Miles> Tramp works ok in it's domain, and is a valuable tool in Miles> situations where nothing else works, but it's essentially Miles> very inefficient (if you look at what it's doing you'll gag Miles> on your wheaties). Ange-ftp, by relying on ftp's direct Miles> support of various file-system operations, can be _much_ more Miles> efficient (and more reliable) -- and sftp is basically like Miles> ftp with many of the bogosities removed. Miles> Certainly ange-ftp is an old and crufty mode, and probably Miles> would need a bunch of work to eliminate assumptions about Miles> ftp, but apparently tramp would need even more work to handle Miles> sftp properly. I didn't know this. From my perspective, efficiency is not that much of an issue though. It would be nice if it ran a little quicker, but it works well for me. I'm guessing that tramp tries to abstract over the different transport mechanisms, and so can't use their features as much? Phil