From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "MIT/GNU/Linux" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:34:33 +0200 Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source Message-ID: <87lkkot6ye.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <87odpmlnze.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87ejqikz0d.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167579638 1429 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2006 15:40:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 31 16:40:37 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H12nX-0002TM-5n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:40:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H12nW-0003ao-M8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:40:30 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.germany.com!news.banetele.no!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8r8Ye60pTkyyWJRa06bZdJwNPiA= Original-Lines: 49 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.103.39.229 Original-X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=O<^YB7BdHam^Yj[LZVmDVlYSB=nbEKnkkl68mc>]X9OmL^Mjg2:ak; I7eU]gGb30c[>DY7kOjIYVP@[B4d Original-X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:144443 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:40046 Archived-At: On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:28:50 +1100, Tim X wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas writes: >> First of all, there are other examples where "parts" have a different >> name from the "whole". Consider for example the fine difference >> between "SunOS" and "The Solaris Operating Environment" :) > > Can you expand on this point? "Solaris" is considered to be the "SunOS" operating system, plus a graphical user environment, and a few other components. > I'm asking as this seems to contradict what I was told by Sun and > other sys admins and recall reading some years ago. My understanding > is that sunOS was what Sun called the operating system they had prior > to Solaris. "SunOS" 4.X was BSD-based. Sun replaced the BSD-based core of the system with a System V derivative, creating SunOS release 5.0. At the same time, a new marketing name was introduced for SunOS 5.0 and it accompanying set of components. This name was "Solaris 2". > When they brought out Solaris, they faced a bit of industry resistance > and released SunOS (I can't remember, but think it might have been > v4.5 or v5.4 or something like that), which was essentially the same > as solaris (v2.3?). There is a nice table of Solaris vs. SunOS versions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Operating_System I can't verify the correctness of *all* these release versions, but it may help a bit. The *real* point, however, is that there is ample precedent for calling parts of a system with a codename that is different from the whole. > With respect to comments re kernel == OS, I don't agree. The kernel > and the operating system are two different things, but somewhat > dependent on each other. For example, you could run hurd instead of > the Linux kernel. Exactly :) > I also gather from listening to RMS and from some reading that we > should also avoid referring to GNU software as open source, but > instead as "Free Software". Also true.