From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: <87lfbtso3x.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <87mtwbym2r.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 09:11:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lATYP-000AWQ-F9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:11:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54942 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lATYN-0005Zk-D6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:11:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lATXr-0005Za-HM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp25.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.193]:33964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lATXb-0006xq-Ts for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail02.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.11]) by outbound-smtp25.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E1B5CADE6 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:10:57 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 25304 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2021 08:10:57 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rt-inspiron-3480) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.76.74.4]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 12 Feb 2021 08:10:57 -0000 In-Reply-To: <87mtwbym2r.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:30:16 +0100) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.17.249.193; envelope-from=rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com; helo=outbound-smtp25.blacknight.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127838 Archived-At: Joost Kremers writes: > On Thu, Feb 11 2021, Robert Thorpe wrote: >> Here are my opinions on these things. >> >> * Moratorium on New Emacs Keybindings. >> >> At present there's lot of work going on outside of core Emacs. I think >> it makes sense for core Emacs not to use too many keybindings. I can >> see the sense the argument Drew Adams makes. > > Since it's really easy in Emacs to (re)bind keys, I don't really see this as > much of a problem. (Mind you, I'm firmly of the conviction that external > packages should *not* create any global bindings.) > >> If a *general* moratorium isn't possible, then how about a more specific >> one? How about applying it only to certain keymaps or prefix keys. > > Which would be equivalent to reserving more keys for users to bind, right? On this issue I agree with Gregory Heytings. I think that user-friendliness is beneficial. It would help with that if packages could bind some keys by default. Yes, it makes it more complex for those of us who don't want that. But we've learned how to use Emacs and we know how to fix it. BR, Robert Thorpe