From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: completing-read depricated initial-input Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:01:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87letka7pr.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <86r13hubaw.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <86letphfke.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87bkuljsvz.fsf@yahoo.com> <86fsjvlrjo.fsf@gnu.org> <874k0bkco7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87letnhhj3.fsf@gnu.org> <878rpn876c.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2015"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:IvpG6UfeA5l3FkJ0vLIOk9P1Ax0= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 25 21:02:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o5B2y-0000HV-Tp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:02:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46996 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5B2x-0002pC-Ci for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:02:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5B1w-0002nk-CZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:48160) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5B1u-00023Z-Ly for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o5B1r-0009Ta-BS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:01:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:138091 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > Maybe author of that description could consider various use > cases. That assumes that somebody is usig INITIAL-INPUT as > replacement for DEF. > > It also assumes what is best for programmer, with "it is > best to pass nil" -- but that is best for who? > Maybe somebody who does not use it or has confusion with it. Yes, make that whole function deprecated perhaps and write a new one, one with fewer formal parameters and one that doesn't need any "side notes" in its docstring ... > Instead of deprecating 2 different functions because some > people assume they are same, description shall be written so > that there is no confusion what is DEF and what is > INITIAL-INPUT. You start, what is INITIAL-INPUT? We have only heard of one use case (completion) and it isn't good enough. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal