From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert D. Crawford" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Are there an elisp package manager like apt-get or cpan? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <87k65cd86g.fsf@comcast.net> References: <1155441044.103183.254590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1155480027 24515 80.91.229.2 (13 Aug 2006 14:40:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 13 16:40:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCH8S-0003GE-JM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:40:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCH8S-0000uG-2x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:40:16 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:26:03 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hv1La4nzQIov3G/CXSmupbPc5EQ= Original-Lines: 44 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.52.15.31 Original-X-Trace: sv3-lNt7+49Bmb3FPkoDqrTdPDQAoGMFBUPnQJUYgImiQ0vcoLOvhv4YHP2SUoqGys2f+W5GuQHXiT/Vdys!0dFZIskOMhwk4EJmv2ZhhHgJJGoFmumV1cV9hgq5vBfUZ7xvbm5DNDq8bJc= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:141034 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:36659 Archived-At: ken writes: > I'll give a pitch for RPM. There's been many a time when I've wanted to > upgrade emacs or elisp, but know that if I do, forever after I'll no > longer be able to use RPM for upgrades and I'll have to always upgrade > emacs and elisp manually. So forget about enterprise environments. Not all of us fall into those categories. I use debian, so rpm is a bad solution, in this case anyway. I would also stay away from apt in this case for the same reasons. Also, I am not, nor would I imagine are most users on this list, in an enterprise environment. Furthermore, unless you are living on the bleeding edge of emacs development, it does not change that often. It seems to me that most people would be able to live with an emacs installation for several years without the need to upgrade. While we are dreaming here, why don't we come up with a way to do a complete installation from this packaging system... emacs and all. Make it so that it can sniff out the type of distro one uses and make the adjustments to the package database so that the system knows that there is a version of emacs/gnus/add-on-mode etc. installed. I have to say that if someone goes ahead with this, it should work like apt in that not only does it get the package and install it, it also grabs whatever dependencies are needed. > Standards aren't much use if there's a bazillion of them and they're all > incompatible with one another. So why bother with an app that will see > limited use and, more than likely, will be replaced in a few years by > something far more practical? Living by this logic, we would never get anything done as there is always something newer and better coming along. rdc -- Robert D. Crawford rdc1x@comcast.net QOTD: I opened Pandora's box, let the cat out of the bag and put the ball in their court. -- Hon. J. Hacker (The Ministry of Administrative Affairs)