How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Is out there any Scim user?  I want to input chinese characters with Emacs and
Scim, but when I do `C-space' the scim bar does not appear at all. I have
Debian Etch.

Thanks for any help
Rodolfo

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:49:04 +0100
> 
> Is out there any Scim user?  I want to input chinese characters with Emacs and
> Scim, but when I do `C-space' the scim bar does not appear at all.

Any reason why the Chinese input methods that come with Emacs are not
good enough for your needs?  Type "C-u C-\ chinese TAB TAB" (yes, TAB
twice), and you will be presented with a long list of input methods to
select from.  Their advantage is that they will work on any system,
even if scim is not installed, and I bet the choice of methods is
larger than what you have with scim.

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

>> Is out there any Scim user?  I want to input chinese characters with Emacs
>> and
>> Scim, but when I do `C-space' the scim bar does not appear at all. I have
>> Debian Etch.



Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Any reason why the Chinese input methods that come with Emacs are not
> good enough for your needs?  Type "C-u C-\ chinese TAB TAB" (yes, TAB
> twice), and you will be presented with a long list of input methods to
> select from.  Their advantage is that they will work on any system,
> even if scim is not installed, and I bet the choice of methods is
> larger than what you have with scim.



Enno Schwass <ennoausberlin@mac.com> writes:

>
> I used scim for japanese input on ubuntu last year, but I returned to
> the native emacs input method. It fits my needs perfect. Did you tried it?


Thanks for your suggestion.

With `chinese-py' input method I can input simplified Chinese characters;
instead with `chinese-py-b5' there are only white squares.  What am I missing?
In my .emacs I put the following stuff:

   (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec "-isas-fangsong
    ti-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0" t)

        (set-language-environment "Chinese-GB")
        (set-selection-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
        (set-clipboard-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
        (set-keyboard-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
        (setq locale-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
        (set-terminal-coding-system  'chinese-iso-8bit)
        (setq default-input-method 'chinese-py-punct)


.  Thanks for further help!
Rodolfo

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:07:32 +0100
> 
> With `chinese-py' input method I can input simplified Chinese characters;
> instead with `chinese-py-b5' there are only white squares.  What am I missing?
> In my .emacs I put the following stuff:
> 
>    (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec "-isas-fangsong
>     ti-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0" t)

I thought that chinese-py-b5 produced Big5 characters, whereas the
above font specification uses GB2312 characters.  Doesn't that explain
why you don't see the characters?  Or am I mistaken?

If you go to one of the empty boxes and type "C-u C-x =", what does
Emacs tell you about the character it cannot display?

How to input traditional chinese characters? (was: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?)

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

>> With `chinese-py' input method I can input simplified Chinese characters;
>> instead with `chinese-py-b5' there are only white squares.  What am I
>> missing?


Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> If you go to one of the empty boxes and type "C-u C-x =", what does
> Emacs tell you about the character it cannot display?



This is Emacs response:



  character: 中 (152420, #o451544, #x25364, U+4E2D)
    charset: chinese-big5-1
	     (Frequently used part (A141-C67F) of Big5 (Chinese traditional).)
 code point: #x26 #x64
     syntax: w 	which means: word
   category: C:Chinese (Han) characters of 2-byte character sets c:Chinese
	     |:While filling, we can break a line at this character.
   to input: type "zhong1" or "zhong4" with chinese-py-b5
buffer code: #x98 #xA6 #xE4
  file code: #xE4 #xB8 #xAD (encoded by coding system mule-utf-8)
    display: no font available

There are text properties here:
  fontified            t


.  What do you suggest?  Certainly something important must be missing.
Thanks indeed!
Rodolfo

Re: How to input traditional chinese characters? (was: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:04:07 +0100
> 
>   character: 中 (152420, #o451544, #x25364, U+4E2D)
>     charset: chinese-big5-1
> 	     (Frequently used part (A141-C67F) of Big5 (Chinese traditional).)
                                                  ^^^^

> [...]
> .  What do you suggest?  Certainly something important must be missing.

Looks like I was right: the characters generated by chinese-py-b5 are
from the Big5 charset, so you need to set up font for that charset.
Sorry, I have no idea how to do that in practice or what fonts you
need to install.

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Xah]

« on some chinese input and character display problems »

i type chinese occationally.

my encoding is set to utf-8, and i am able to use both chinese-py and
chinese-py-b5 as input systems, and see all characters correctly. (am
on mac os x)

btw, gb-2312 is rather obsolete, not sure if you are choosing it for a
reason. I don't think gb2313 include both simplified and traditional
chars.

you might try gb18030, which supercedes gb2312 and is just a superset,
and in fact is a variant of unicode, and includes both simplified and
trad chars. Wikipedia has details.

  Xah
  xah@xahlee.org
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄


On Apr 26, 2:07 pm, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> Is out there any Scim user?  I want to input chinese characters with Emacs
> >> and
> >> Scim, but when I do `C-space' the scim bar does not appear at all. I have
> >> Debian Etch.
> Eli Zaretskii <e...@gnu.org> writes:
> > Any reason why the Chinese input methods that come with Emacs are not
> > good enough for your needs?  Type "C-u C-\ chinese TAB TAB" (yes, TAB
> > twice), and you will be presented with a long list of input methods to
> > select from.  Their advantage is that they will work on any system,
> > even if scim is not installed, and I bet the choice of methods is
> > larger than what you have with scim.
> Enno Schwass <ennoausber...@mac.com> writes:
>
> > I used scim for japanese input on ubuntu last year, but I returned to
> > the native emacs input method. It fits my needs perfect. Did you tried it?
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.
>
> With `chinese-py' input method I can input simplified Chinese characters;
> instead with `chinese-py-b5' there are only white squares.  What am I missing?
> In my .emacs I put the following stuff:
>
>    (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec "-isas-fangsong
>     ti-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0" t)
>
>         (set-language-environment "Chinese-GB")
>         (set-selection-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
>         (set-clipboard-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
>         (set-keyboard-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
>         (setq locale-coding-system 'cn-gb-2312)
>         (set-terminal-coding-system  'chinese-iso-8bit)
>         (setq default-input-method 'chinese-py-punct)
>
> .  Thanks for further help!
> Rodolfo

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Xah <xahlee@gmail.com> writes:

> « on some chinese input and character display problems »
>
> i type chinese occationally.
>
> my encoding is set to utf-8, and i am able to use both chinese-py and
> chinese-py-b5 as input systems, and see all characters correctly. (am
> on mac os x)



Thanks.
Please, could you report your settings from your .emacs?  Maybe with them I
will also be able to use both chinese-py and chinese-py-b5 as input systems,
and see all characters correctly, although I am on Gnu Linux Debian Etch.

Thanks indeed
Rodolfo

Re: How to input chinese characters with `scim'?

[Xah]

On May 3, 8:26 am, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please, could you report your settings from your .emacs?  Maybe with them I
> will also be able to use both chinese-py and chinese-py-b5 as input systems,
> and see all characters correctly, although I am on Gnu Linux Debian Etch.

I'm on a mac so my settings won't be much helpful to you... since the
font stuff is quite system dependent.

but here they are if you are curious:

'(current-language-environment "UTF-8")
(if (eq window-system 'mac) (require 'carbon-font))
(if (featurep 'carbon-emacs-package) (fixed-width-set-default-fontset
"-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-hirakaku_w6"))

In your problem, i think you just need to try to set your lang env to
gb18030, and make sure you have a unicode font set that has both
simplified and traditional chars. Then, try input system chinese-py
and chinese-py-b5. The former will let you type simplified, while the
latter traditional.

Then you can see if everything works.

  Xah
  xah@xahlee.org
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

[solved] Re: How to input chinese characters?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Is out there any Scim user?  I want to input chinese characters with Emacs
>>> and
>>> Scim, but when I do `C-space' the scim bar does not appear at all. I have
>>> Debian Etch.



Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Any reason why the Chinese input methods that come with Emacs are not
>> good enough for your needs?  Type "C-u C-\ chinese TAB TAB" (yes, TAB
>> twice), and you will be presented with a long list of input methods to
>> select from.  Their advantage is that they will work on any system,
>> even if scim is not installed, and I bet the choice of methods is
>> larger than what you have with scim.




Enno Schwass <ennoausberlin@mac.com> writes:

>> I used scim for japanese input on ubuntu last year, but I returned to
>> the native emacs input method. It fits my needs perfect. Did you tried it?




Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks for your suggestion.
>
> With `chinese-py' input method I can input simplified Chinese characters;
> instead with `chinese-py-b5' there are only white squares.  What am I missing?



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