From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:46:04 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418517925 25632 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 00:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 01:45:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzxJH-0006vp-Pg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:45:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34673 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzxJH-0004k4-Cg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:45:19 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 101 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:or4/dxvwMHu/WDvNPhtw2C2Evgk= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209278 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101558 Archived-At: Hello Saturday night party people. Now I'm so tired from not sleeping but I'm still convinced this will be my best Usenet post ever. Here, I know what you are thinking: "How can he be so sure?" Let me tell you: I have already visualized success! Now I'm not talking visualization like in a hot shower with the lights off. No, I'm talking visualization like a true Taekwondo champion from the United States of America. (Taekwondo is originally Korean but I don't know if they do the visualization stuff as well. Most definitely some of them do.) And now you are thinking: "OK, let's hear it then, what did you visualize?" Well, problem is, it is always difficult to put in words any decent visualization - but here goes: As you might know, the Swedish police a couple of days ago raided the high-profile torrent site "The Pirate Bay", and put it down. For good? That remains to be seen. The Swedish police don't care about some military-cinematic complex on the other side of the world. Their only desire to do it would be to impress their colleagues in the US Air Force fighting "cyber-crime" - (I mean, how cool is that? Wait... it *is* pretty cool!) - but it isn't cool enough for them to actually do it. So it is a big-business, government thing behind it, no doubt. Anyway it is done. This isn't the first time that happened. It happened once before. Then, there was a big ruckus and people were banging on the big drums with both arms, and even some sticks as well. Some people literally took to the streets. It wasn't in numbers that would impress the Autonomous Left in Hamburg, but it happened. But other things happened as well. Many people from all over the world took part in revenge DoS attacks that temporarily put down some government websites. Sure, those people hatched some eggs. But did they make an omelette as well? Well, perhaps not exactly them, but other people did, for sure. Because the site was soon up again - which is logical: otherwise the police wouldn't raid it again, brainiacs! This time, the reaction hasn't been the same, and the event has passed unnoticed to a large extent. Some of the people that way-back put up the site have expressed that "the site sucks, the code and technology is dated, the site had distasteful adds all over, let it rest in peace, move on" - that kind of talk. But of course the most critical people of anything are the people who did it. The most critical guy at the theater is the guy who wrote the play - he can barely watch it out of fear and embarrassment the first couple of runs. Because the service provided by the pirates wasn't bad at all. And as for the ads, which seem to be especially painful for the creators, this is an example of how the focus should always be on what is provided - and what can be provided in any way anyone would like, given just a small effort! The future of computing is interface-agnostic. I'm writing this mail in the Emacs Gnus message-mode. Are you reading it just fine in Thunderbird or in a web-GUI? I'd be damned! Here is a couple of w3m defuns that demonstrate an interface which is 100% lacking of any distasteful interactive and/or sexual ads on the old pirate stronghold: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/dl.el http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/search.el Then just use it with a couple of zsh functions to beam the data to rtorrent - http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/download - and you are done: you have the file in no-time and didn't even have to play a JavaScript sorry excuse for a game to get it. Look, I'm not advocating piracy - or saying you shouldn't do it, for that matter - I'm saying, don't get stuck on the surface. If you don't like it, make your own, the fun and easy way for all us dummies. (Here, when I'm done with the visualization thing I think I'll just not send the post. Or should I? Fine, I'll do it.) -- underground experts united