From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: info-find-source Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: <87k1wh4ar0.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <86h8rmdhie.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1516147034 22612 195.159.176.226 (16 Jan 2018 23:57:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg , Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 17 00:57:09 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ebb6K-0005Gv-9A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 00:57:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47546 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebb8I-0004hl-Bv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:59:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebb7U-0004fu-P7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:58:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebb7Q-0005lF-Qj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp10.blacknight.com ([46.22.139.15]:46649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebb7Q-0005kO-KM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:58:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail03.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.16]) by outbound-smtp10.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DD731C24AC for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 5952 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2018 23:58:12 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[51.37.88.156]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 16 Jan 2018 23:58:12 -0000 In-Reply-To: <86h8rmdhie.fsf@zoho.com> (message from Emanuel Berg on Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:55:05 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 46.22.139.15 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:115748 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Marcin Borkowski wrote: > .... >> Yes, I could train myself to do that. >> >> But... I have `i' in Info! So why train >> myself to do something my computer (using the >> information Emacs developers put in) can >> do better? > > Because you have already trained yourself to > edit text and code and that happens every day > from now on as well. No matter how much you > train with Info, you will never get to the > text/code level. And when you "train" with text > and code, you do amazing stuff - well, > hopefully, but almost certainly something more > interesting than how to navigate a browser... I agree with Marcin Borkowski. I think it's a mistake to over-emphasise the editing modes, and their keybindings. The viewing modes and the special modes are just as important. I spend a great deal of time in Dired, Info, Help and reading mail. I also spend a fair amount of time in View, Occur, Grep, Find, Compile and Shell. In my experience it's worth becoming reasonably familiar with those modes and their keybindings. It's true that doing that means less practice with the normal editing keybindings. However, as you get better at using those, each increment of extra skill comes more slowly. You reach a point of diminishing returns. At that stage it's worthwhile to pay more attention to the special modes. I don't expect you to necessarily take my advice. I'm just giving my opinion. BR, Robert Thorpe