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From: Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: info-find-source
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:58:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1wh4ar0.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86h8rmdhie.fsf@zoho.com> (message from Emanuel Berg on Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:55:05 +0100)

Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes:

> Marcin Borkowski wrote:
>
....
>> Yes, I could train myself to do that.
>>
>> But... I have `i' in Info! So why train
>> myself to do something my computer (using the
>> information Emacs developers put in) can
>> do better?
>
> Because you have already trained yourself to
> edit text and code and that happens every day
> from now on as well. No matter how much you
> train with Info, you will never get to the
> text/code level. And when you "train" with text
> and code, you do amazing stuff - well,
> hopefully, but almost certainly something more
> interesting than how to navigate a browser...

I agree with Marcin Borkowski.

I think it's a mistake to over-emphasise the editing modes, and their
keybindings.  The viewing modes and the special modes are just as
important.

I spend a great deal of time in Dired, Info, Help and reading mail.  I
also spend a fair amount of time in View, Occur, Grep, Find, Compile and
Shell.

In my experience it's worth becoming reasonably familiar with those
modes and their keybindings.  It's true that doing that means less
practice with the normal editing keybindings.  However, as you get
better at using those, each increment of extra skill comes more slowly.
You reach a point of diminishing returns.  At that stage it's worthwhile
to pay more attention to the special modes.

I don't expect you to necessarily take my advice.  I'm just giving my
opinion.

BR,
Robert Thorpe



  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-16 23:58 UTC|newest]

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2018-01-13  0:43 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  3:43   ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-13  5:23     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  7:03         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-16 23:10           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 15:50     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-14  2:57       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14  7:00         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15  4:17           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:54             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:55               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 23:58                 ` Robert Thorpe [this message]
2018-01-19  6:22                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-19  7:12                   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 20:31                     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-19 21:05                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-19 22:19                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 23:21                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-20 19:49                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-20 20:18                               ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
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2018-01-20 23:50                                 ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-21  0:04                               ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-21 11:49                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-19 20:43                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  5:17   ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-14  2:54     ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:52       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:50         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2020-11-01 16:08 bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:34   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 18:52       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:00         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:07           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:06             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:36               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:47                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:52                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:07                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02  4:09                         ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-02 15:41                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-03  6:00                             ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03  6:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-03  7:41                                 ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03 16:07                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 23:45                                     ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-07  1:26                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-02  6:07                     ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 15:48                       ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:02                         ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:58                           ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 17:27                             ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:49                 ` RE: RE: bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:51                 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:05                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:36           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:51           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:09               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:27                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 20:31                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 21:46             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 20:29             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 21:01             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:51       ` Drew Adams
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2018-12-04  9:04 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
2018-12-04 13:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05  1:07   ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05  2:32     ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05  6:45       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05  8:00         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-12-05  8:11           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 14:57         ` Drew Adams
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2018-12-05 16:59           ` Barry Margolin
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2018-12-05 16:50       ` Barry Margolin
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2018-12-05 16:47     ` Barry Margolin
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2018-01-17  6:18 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-13  3:57 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14  4:24 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14 22:30   ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-15  4:33     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-20 17:37       ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-21  6:59         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-20 17:53         ` info-find-source HASM
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2018-01-15  7:45       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-11  5:25   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-11 21:05     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-11 21:55       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-12 15:43         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-12 17:02           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-12 20:36           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-12 21:08             ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
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2018-01-12 21:24               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-12 22:39                 ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
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2018-01-13  0:54                   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  3:29                     ` info-find-source Kaushal Modi
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2018-01-13  3:55                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13 14:16                         ` info-find-source Kaushal Modi
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2018-01-14  7:20                           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  7:46                     ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13  8:10                       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13  8:22                         ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 11:36                           ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13 11:59                             ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 12:14                               ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13 15:33                                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 14:20                         ` info-find-source Kaushal Modi
2018-01-13 15:30                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-14  7:17                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:42                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:38                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13 15:47                     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 16:04                       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 21:33                         ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-14  0:52                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  1:18                             ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-14  6:55                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-14  9:12                             ` info-find-source tomas
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2018-01-15  2:03                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-15  0:47                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15  0:57                           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:53                             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:51                               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:48                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:46                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 13:45                               ` info-find-source Stefan Monnier
2018-01-16 15:28                                 ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-16 19:59                                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-17  0:13                               ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
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2018-01-17  2:41                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-14  8:42                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-12 23:57             ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03  9:30 How to get back to a place in a buffer, or: what is a window configuration? Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 11:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-08-03 18:31   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 18:42   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 19:39     ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 21:47 ` Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03 22:06   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 14:20 Overriding emacs key bindings xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-16 21:15   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-16 21:14   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 23:29     ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  1:55       ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  2:41         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  3:25         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  4:15           ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17 20:38           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  1:42           ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  4:38             ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  5:22               ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  5:36                 ` "First line is not a complete sentence" (was: Re: Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings)) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.40.1463549841.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 13:27                   ` Joost Kremers
2016-05-19  4:32                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.37.1463546355.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 14:31               ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Barry Margolin
2016-05-19  4:38                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:44         ` Overriding emacs key bindings Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-17 20:37           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-18  2:21             ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 20:34               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-19  1:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 17:52             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18 20:30               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:43       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  1:51         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:49       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  2:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-03  0:47 Opening a bookmark in the init file Robert Thorpe
2015-03-03  0:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-03-03  2:32   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 19:18     ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 21:24       ` Drew Adams
2015-03-08 21:48         ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 22:52           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-14 22:12 Info: how to get back from a footnote Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-15  2:42 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-01-15  3:11   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-15  5:51   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-16  2:38     ` Robert Thorpe
     [not found] <mailman.16504.1419019164.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-29  4:21 ` Abbrevs for the most frequent elisp symbols Emanuel Berg
2014-12-29 11:24   ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 13:09     ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 15:28       ` Drew Adams
2014-12-29 16:28         ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 13:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 13:40       ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 14:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 15:49   ` Tom
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2015-01-03  2:25     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-04  0:19       ` Artur Malabarba
     [not found]       ` <mailman.17204.1420330787.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-05 21:16         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-08 20:53           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-03  2:31     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-24 16:40 When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Raffaele Ricciardi
2014-11-24 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:03   ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 15:54       ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25  8:33   ` When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 18:40       ` MBR
2014-11-25 18:52         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  2:31         ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19 16:08         ` Jude DaShiell
2014-11-25  8:52   ` Rainer M Krug
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2014-11-24 17:47   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-24 18:06     ` Jai Dayal
2014-11-25 17:32   ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]   ` <<slrnm79f8k.a37.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-11-25 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 19:10 ` MBR
2014-11-24 19:14   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 22:12 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
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2014-11-25  0:59   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-25  1:29 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-11-25  4:21   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:54     ` Rainer M Krug
2014-11-25 15:47       ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  1:45 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25  9:27 ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 15:47   ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-25 15:57     ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 16:57       ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-25 17:16         ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 18:09           ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 22:08             ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-25 22:22               ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-26  9:34               ` Joost Kremers
2014-11-25 22:02           ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-26  5:02       ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25 22:28 ` Bob Proulx
2014-11-25 22:54   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  8:12     ` Alan Schmitt
2014-11-26 13:42       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-28 13:51       ` Tom Davey
2014-11-28 15:39         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26 16:37 ` Ken Goldman
2014-11-27 21:02 ` Chris F.A. Johnson
2014-07-23 21:37 when you gotta have a variable value for a symbol name Buchs, Kevin J.
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