From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is there a translation platform for the Emacs manual Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 04:41:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87k0sptnvw.fsf@zoho.eu> References: Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39367"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:afHJ+k83JFTUmGKCwoJf0XzUPUk= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 04:44:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxME3-000A5h-9L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 04:44:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43036 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxME2-0005oJ-A3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 22:44:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53844) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxMD7-0005nP-L7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 22:43:41 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:37594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxMD5-0003sp-HM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 22:43:40 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxMD3-0008u7-HB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 04:43:37 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127032 Archived-At: 奔跑的小草 wrote: > I think that there must be a manual in the local language > first, and then a tutorial. After all, the tutorial is to > summarize and simplify. > > If you need to know more about the specific content, no > manual would be very unfriendly. > > And, the tutorial is for personal understanding of a certain > version. It will be outdated and subjectively judged. > > So I think the manual is more important than the tutorial. Perhaps, but it requires immensely more work than the/a simple/short tutorial, for which the success rate, one imagines, is much higher. Maybe more people read the tutorial as well? When they are ready to move from tutorial to manual, maybe they know good enough English already? (IMO the on-line help is the most important piece of documentation.) Also, one can argue that the "local language", as you call it, for computers is actually English! To provide an example, consider people who translates GNU manuals. They need to know good English! Well, obviously... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal