From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cristian Gutierrez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:59:30 -0400 Message-ID: <87is3k5tkt.fsf@guti.no-ip.org> References: <87mzsz7bhg.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111457193 32495 80.91.229.2 (22 Mar 2005 02:06:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 03:06:32 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDYmr-0005gP-E6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:06:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDZ44-0005Ua-25 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:24:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDZ0z-00045K-FU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:21:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDZ0p-0003zx-7k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:20:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDZ0p-0003z7-1T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:20:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1DDYjS-0002Hd-O0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:02:59 -0500 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DDYgu-00054m-KU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:00:20 +0100 Original-Received: from 126-7-28.dial.terra.cl ([200.28.7.126]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:00:20 +0100 Original-Received: from crgutier by 126-7-28.dial.terra.cl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:00:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 126-7-28.dial.terra.cl Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADwAAAA8AgMAAABHkjHhAAAADFBMVEUWFhZfX1+ioqL6+vr8 dj+QAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAg5JREFUeNql0s9r02AYB/B4GIHuoAgVVmG9CVYwf4ILrht40Ynd dEXioWUsA3PaQQ8LKHpYLnbTThwiHbWYV9Sj9rL36NUObGkPUrVzuIs/6BvyluZ9ljcxaXI2lzwf eJOH9/k+AvhP/7j/Fv65OxMzmynhqO1zH/So+29NLeqvh6YU8WADmemIP4lxL8pxp6p3o2aZegZl R3YyaBJNaaGHKkqgxOXQNkKXzLQR+g9C6+b5kfcQevgmpYRuIrRZn5BCryO0US3ogW1BdV0J+3dz grpXmQXYfuf5nkLH5ksK/SIrnq/rg26ioTmdygtupwgWHSvoTnvF4CZl17dOYNoWy9yNPOzXfstg tYtXuR9o0JwlL+HgeWGBW8ZgGBbFnWUhw33Sbdz6TvHN1ey8a3YGIN+6T2C5PYFdD2sA6d5FAu9v LH3WBbAJBgmIDJ3ioooFoCzPNDq5in82TX7egsdXcE+0pZ3sEr+fxW7XoCvS3HRS4f7rrGHojRP0 6A72TOtuoBrZnVvz5kGIzVejX0jpvi2bF0Q+iz1TWuXFwbOkP7/hrrdaH58u+HakX7wwSsF8/eDT wf45417kFwIPd7yIcWDS52UDApevuZ86p0PLK1tuZHpoBN8YLgOM9pswfft/vO9oMf9g6UbMYNij /jDYglZwHRCYIIgx56aO4earyPlD89R0Mvo/9kR9HfgIgorhXaQc58oAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7jRvp6BJnp40jqQ6WNLrsT97jGo= X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25083 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25083 Este sabado, Floyd L. Davidson dijo: > jasonr (Jason Rumney) @ f2s.com wrote: [...] >>The problem with any suggestion like this, is that the idea of a >>single "standard" set of keybindings is mythical. > > Nooooo! The *EMACS* keybindings are the only ones that make any > sense at all for an Emacs editor. And everywhere else! (at least readline-enabled and GTK-based apps are supportive of the TRUE keybindings; even others -like Eclipse- have paid due homage as well) -- Cristian Gutierrez http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~crgutier crgutier[@]dcc.uchile.cl Jabber:crgutier@jabber.org CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh..