From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hadron Quark Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:03:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87irisgw5v.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20061009001242.GB6779@marita.homelinux.net> <4529F5D8.7060200@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160487759 28833 80.91.229.2 (10 Oct 2006 13:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 10 15:42:36 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXHs1-0007bJ-OB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXHs1-0004IB-8F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:42:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Trace: individual.net /S6Od2Ei6UHWKoaLyuqOIw1zvAEkeSdaE6c27CL5dFJ6F4u5In X-Orig-Path: news.ibm.net!news X-Face: 2h#||Cd#d%F*NCm59[_6/{1a@jy%; |j>{D~4^gKg(^i%7j0IK?+,/GmW&:CD5fEKb_! Cancel-Lock: sha1:HTOlWcZsYF3nbBOYnDQMadjdQRQ= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142351 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37972 Archived-At: Jeremy Hankins writes: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> Do you know about Viper, a really good vi emulator inside Emacs? At >> least it is very good in Emacs 22. Emacs 22 is not yet released but very >> stable and will hopefully soon be in pretest. >> >> See http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ViperMode > > I second viper. I used vi for many years before starting to use emacs > (so that I could use gnus), and I don't think I'd be able to give up the > command-mode/insert-mode distinction. It's just too keyboard-friendly. > > I personally consider viper to be more of an implementation of vi in > elisp; it generally works quite well with other emacs modes without > interfering with their use. There are a few exceptions, though -- I'd > love to get viper to work better with folding.el, for example. Jeremy, how did you generate your face header?