From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: viper-mode C-[ behavior change in Emacs 24.4 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 02:52:32 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87iom6h227.fsf@debian.uxu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407286529 7534 80.91.229.3 (6 Aug 2014 00:55:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 06 02:55:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XEpVi-0007Ut-UJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 02:55:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35291 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEpVi-0006ej-Dk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 20:55:22 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 49 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:S71RasAInW46u6uTOnLxNuqTWnI= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206819 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99095 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: > Yes, I use a package manager too. But I don't always > believe it when the package manager says "stable" or > "unstable" Those release names should, I take it, not be applied to any individual piece of software which they contain but rather to a group of software that has migrated there according to some policy. But of course it should relate to reality in the sense that moste software in "stable" should be stable. But as I said, I never had a system or software crash for years using the "un"stable Debian. Might be I only use Emacs and zsh and the shell tools, and I upgrade seldom and only what I need (no fishing expeditions). Either that or it is just exaggerated as the Debian people are security freaks: the unstable is actually very stable to us mere mortals... > numbers either. On the stability issue the opinion of > the developers may be completely different. Of course > sometimes the developers are wrong and the distro > writers are right, not often though. Distro writers... :) >> Anyway, so whatever Emacs you can get from your >> distro's repositories should be considered >> "released"? Sounds logical... > > No. Distros do all sorts of wierd things, including > sometimes releasing alphas, betas or even separate > builds they've done themselves. To give an old > example, one time Red Hat released their own version > of GCC. They took the release branch of GCC's > version-control repository, fixed a few little things > and released it. They didn't even do that in an > "unstable" distro. OK, so we might all be running bastard-Emacs in complete disarray in a world that is completely disintegrated. Perhaps it would be easier to just get Emacs from ftp.gnu.org and then quickly use the package manager to uninstall the package manager... -- underground experts united