From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Reply to list [was: Different key maps in different dired buffers] Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:43:39 +0300 Message-ID: <87inxjkis4.fsf@quux> References: <83pos7z6gv.fsf@gnu.org> <86zir1n347.fsf@student.uu.se> <8660tpmztw.fsf@student.uu.se> <87porxkl2r.fsf@quux> <8737orkbbl.fsf@quux> <20160605205812056555404@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1465386266 13291 80.91.229.3 (8 Jun 2016 11:44:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:44:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 08 13:44:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bAbuA-000796-5C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:44:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56256 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAbu6-0004R3-Au for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 07:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942@gmail.com>) id 1bAbtc-0004QT-So for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 07:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942@gmail.com>) id 1bAbtY-0004Do-OC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 07:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]:35427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942@gmail.com>) id 1bAbtY-0004CE-Bo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 07:43:36 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u74so3872755lff.2 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 04:43:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xco47SXYNrdmljerz/2xTdNL3ciqRnt7Vw/qnYDF8fI=; b=QQqonADKRghK1kftyqiHm9eWvb8g6PWhzxEldXZO/opknUutCzjRo2dkz47/GhoFwo bPdXf3njoh/OtQ8g/4Suq7RUkGr/XnRtSx7FP2ohLfYa0eftIxBorrSrFzorFyTowdAi 5D0yf8JxKv6vzgsH12Ao0CXg2YqZlVOM0gDBrnvRPcb/2mceITXH4T7NVw6qtFwyntog gg+xTunSvgJeJ6LtGcsEua8qKsSLdBpKGX2eSaJC3/H+pOYftvU2GO8iQKqmmhjhaUv8 JF2aaNBrd37wA8Q+tjMGeA5CAD7aL43n4pq+lnBbrD5BSdRi4BTlAGOuY/vRFMAR/E2f gQRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xco47SXYNrdmljerz/2xTdNL3ciqRnt7Vw/qnYDF8fI=; b=EIflPu7Zw4pMExXLLqqvOJ6/YTQJo1fFWMF26q61cQwl49ZxekIcQjHAIZiVhjN1hy RRQ0UMvrzvjnN/LlH21ZgHnoNnLWtBD5OBY5s8g1/nAA/MtbCDjguQb2jVQFPJbAWkhl WzvudUKKcMwdDkQX24hoZdFupYfP1otm/iR+1uzz2zzorgITyCLsEsgW1dR0PVFlYizX ECxgku60sdo2SO7VDkMT28wKCZLrWrAE9eqWcbEiOlrgbJCpVIK9KdVl8F6Um7RyLEKQ KobZmIQZFNbdeXqlP2yDrTf5CDxDcU6yZjYy6OzU8RWF6hN2ujMLL3FEunSHY9lAw5aF 6I+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJBEvYBxsDv8RtlIWmDQ4SmtQ4HJGBDCOJqaaNgMKU3yonIyphPl7jlxkJAu1fUjg== X-Received: by 10.25.146.81 with SMTP id u78mr3700135lfd.224.1465386214952; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 04:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus.local ([178.218.27.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id un4sm104882lbc.12.2016.06.08.04.43.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Jun 2016 04:43:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160605205812056555404@bob.proulx.com> (Bob Proulx's message of "Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:29:26 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::230 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110373 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> >> ... seems to implicate the Stanford newsgroup gateway. >> > >> > I’ll try to post this message to ‘gnu.emacs.help‘ via a proper news >> > server (news.gnus.org) and not with Gnus, let see what will happen. >> >> That is it! References are broken. > > I think it is confirmed. > >> So what we could do with it, besides avoiding posting here via >> ‘gnu.emacs.help’? > > That is the problem. It is available. People will use it. We can't > stop people from posting to the news group. Well, being a listmaster, actually, you could, I guess. I am not familiar with GNU Mailman, but there must be sophisticated filtering features. But that would be too radical solution, of course. Instead, I imagined, sending to anyone who posts via Usenet an auto-reply mail that explains the problem and advises switching to Gmane might be feasible as a temporary measure. I’ve started to dig through GNU Mailman’s documentation (which seems to be not ready yet) to find something about auto-responder and ran across a note that Mailman has NNTP support on its own. Then I’ve searched the Web a bit and found a page [0] which hints, that usenet.stanford.org was blamed unfairly — it is a mere Usenet server, while mail-to-news gating is done here, on gnu.org. [0] https://www.gnu.org/usenet/usenet.html Is that page still actual? >> It would be logical to report this issue to the gateway maintainers (or >> how else should be they called?) at Stanford, I have no idea though, >> where to report to them to. > > Now that we have determined it to be the problem I guess we should > contact them and see if they can address the problem somehow. I don't > know who maintains the gateway. I have never had any interaction with > them. > >> Or is it ’s (is there any?) business to deal with >> broken gateways? > > Well... I think that is me! Nice to meet you, by the way. :-) > AFAIK the listmaster address is now untended. AFAIK it was replaced > with mailman@gnu.org for use with Mailman. AFAIK (a lot of softening > here) that happened around 2003 according to notes left behind in > files so it has been a while. Regardless of the actual history it > predates my involvement by many years. Which is why I have AFAIK so > many times. > > These days the mailing list admins on the non-FSF side of things are > myself and Karl. Karl and I handle almost all of the mailing list day > to day activity. That includes all of the anti-spam and helping > people with subscription and with large file problems and so forth. > The FSF admins maintain the Mailman installation and Mailman upgrades. > But they don't get involved in the day to day maintenance. > > And so you could write to mailman@gnu.org but that would just fall > through to me or Karl at some point. :-) You could write to > help-gnu-emacs-owner@gnu.org and that would reach the owners of this > mailing list. Which includes several other people in addition to > myself and the -owner address is always a good thing to do when > dealing with a specific mailing list. Anyone of the group there could > help. Thank you for the details. > Meanwhile, while investigating the listmaster address, I ran across > another related untended mailbox that is 1.2G in size holding 71345 > messages piling up from 2006 that all appear to be spam. Oh joy. > Not! :-) > > In any case, I will try to chase down who is the maintainer of the > Stanford news to mail gateway and contact them about the problem. It > has been this way for years. It will probably take a while to get > fixed.